sup

>>25195488

0/10

>>25195488
>>25195533

I want to argue this but I can't.

>>25195488
No it's not.

>>25195488
Well fuck my day.

Also Ganta.

Those are good things so it's ok.

You're absolutely right. Though Simon' and Naota's "Congratulations" were pretty fucking awesome in comparison to Shinji's

>>25195533
Why was he not included in this picture? That being said, Renton wins because he actually gets the damn girl.

.....boy coming to age thread?

>>25195488

I almost dropped Gurren Lagann at the beginning because Simon was an even more annoying version of Shinj.

I am very glad I stuck it through to find out I was very very wrong.

So a metaphor for depression is the same thing as an lolrandom mech show, a metaphor for puberty, and a show about pissed-off hippies?

>>25195630
>implying implications.

How do you figure? The characters in Gurren Lagann manned up and did stuff while the characters in Eva were sissy and wished the world into tang. I don't even know what the show on the right is.

>>25195737
They all "man up" just in their own different ways.

>>25195734
>>implying implications have been implied

>>25195488
Simon and Naota actually become something.

>TOO DEEP
>BELEIVE IN YOU WHO BELEIVES IN ME WHOE BELEIVES IN YOUUUUUUUUU
>GUITAH?

yeah, same goddamn thing. fucknut

Shinji: okay>annoying>okay>pretty manly>extremely annoying>

(EOE)(optional)...get the fuck out of here.

Naota: Annoying>Kinda a prick>Oh sh--

Simon: Who?>I forgot this kid was even the main character>emo>Oh sh-->OMGWTFBBQ

>>25195806
A bum and a nobody? Sure thing bro

>>25195806
Shijnji becomes something too...

...lord of tang is something....

>>25195806

Shinji becomes a man

>>25195787
>>>Implying implications have not been implied when they were clearly implied implications.

>>25195488
>>25195533
i lold FUCK YEAH RENTON!

Sup?

>>25195624
>Simon was an even more annoying version of Shinj.

WHAT.

>>25195857
...dude...

>>25195776
I don't recall Shinji ever manning up, all he did was whine

>>25195948
The truth hurts eh?

Shinji Ikari-Badass

>>25195954

Did you even watch episode 26? That's what the whole TV end was about. Do you not understand what rejecting Instrumentality means?

At least Naota never gone emo.

>>25195954

Shinji mans up from time to time, but then he quickly regresses back when reality shits on him some more.

>>25196015
Nothing bad ever happened to him.

>>25195954
perfect example of a bad Evangelion fan

>>25195954
At the Very very end he rejects instrumentality and decides that people should exist even if he gets hurt by these people.


All of them are growing up stories.

Sup guys just here being the origin of things.

>>25195954
Rebuild 2.0

"Don't mind me, just accidentally third impact to save Rei"

>>25195854
Yeah, that pretty much sums up my reaction. Though the Baseball episode is worthy of OMGWTFBBQ as well, in my opinion.

>>25196030
Now, that's not quite true. Thinks he killed his dad, gets molested, the girl he loves was just using him for power, etc. Nothing shinji-level, sure, but it's not like his life was paradise.

>>25195886
No he doesn't. What has he ever accomplished by himself? He literally get the choice handed to him "Hey Shinji you're the main character and all, do you want to become tang or everything to go back to normal?"
Oh wow what a titanic achievement, what an incredible feat it must have been to answer a single question.

"Hey emo kid, do you feel like ending the world today?"
"Nah, not that much."
There. That kid has just become as much of a man as Shinji is.

>>25195912
>>>Implying implications have been implied when they were clearly not implied implications; as much as they were summaries of each show.

>>25196147
>gets molested

what

>>25196159
Now I'm not sure what in universe that decision is incredibly easy but in ours it most certainly isn't. Especially for someone like him.

>>25196159

Every other person in that show would have said "yes, end everything now".

>>25196159
You're not scaling it properly.Its more like this:

"Hey anon, you want to replace this world with the anime world of your choice?"
"No. Even with bitches and whores, I think this world is still worth something. Animu paradise REJECTED."

>>25196159
>>25196159
>>25196159
>>25196159

This, absolutely. You can only be a man if you blow something up.

Sena had a great "coming of age" story.

>>25196159
Shinji's thought process.
>I hate people
>People hate me
>they should all just die.
So yeah seeing as at any other time he would decide to kill everyone off, and then deciding not to and to live with the pain he goes through for the rest of his life while deciding to change himself to be a better person?
Yeah, not a big deal.

yes but simon and naota turned fuck awesome in the end.

Let's have a main character who is only emo in flashbacks.

>>25196275

It's like taking the red pill or the blue pill. Choosing to live in the real world instead of a dreamworld, even with all the shit to deal with, is the adult choice.

>>25195854
>OMGWTFBBQ

What am I back in 2004?

>>25196210
Uh huh. You're essentially saying "Shinji's a man for answering a question which would have been difficult for him given he's such a pussy."

>>25196357
Yuuhi is gar 24/7.

>>25196432
see
>>25196275

>>25196360
I understand, but my point of contention is this:what if you're not "the one" and you can't kick 1000 agent smith's asses at one time, all you can do is live in that shitty underground city.

>>25196432
Which is exactly why he was a man for overcoming himself...do you not read into things?

>>25195488

3 of the greatest anime ever made fuck yeah. Thank you GAINAX.

Don't compare Shinji to them, he's a real badass with some serious issues that manages keep going.

>>25196451

Yeah, you're right, life is shit, the point is to deal with it. Find the things that make life worth it and don't run away from them. That's what Shinji chose to do. This whole tang/god stuff doesn't even matter, Eva is just a coming of age story, and Shinji DID grow up at the end.

>>25196275
This

>>25196432
>>25196453
This brings up an interesting point. Perhaps overcoming one's self is not enough of a challenge to attain the, admittedly inflated, definition of manliness.

Naota, for example: That swing, on top of his overcoming of himself.
Simon, doesn't even need to be explained.

Shinji might be up in the air since most of his victories (though I will give him zuerel--he softened it up for Yui) are simply due to straight up berserker Hax.

>>25196616
The one that was in orbit and that was gonna turn all of tokyo 3 into a lake.
That was pretty much all him with no BAHZAHKAH hax

>>25196447
He has motivation.

Why doesn't anyone ever remember this other gainax boy?

He dealt with his problems way better than the rest of them...Pretending they didn't exist!

You're raising Shinji to the same level as Simon?

>>25196616

Shinji was still a pretty capable fighter with strong "manly" morals, he saved both Asuka and Rei on multiple occasions even when explicitly ordered not to, fought and beat Zeruel on his own free will, and decided he'd rather die than kill his own friends.

>>25196616
Let me be clear. I'm merely saying that perhaps overcoming one's self is just the norm, and the title of manliness cannot be given just for that. Just like you cant give a medal of honor to every soldier who dies (Though all of our troops are very fucking manly, just bear with me here).

The standard for manliness is raised very high, and the requirements of the title go beyond something so mundane (In anime) as overcoming yourself.

>>25196778
I remember.

>>25196210
>>25196270
>>25196275
>>25196291
>>25196324
I'm sorry, you think having a choice laid out in front of you and having it instantly granted by God is as great an achievement than actually having to exert yourself and struggle and maintain your will-power over a greater time-frame than an instant?

"Hey I just thought, wouldn't it be great if somebody ended world suffering? If someone came along and handed me a choice to do so, I totally would."
I am now as worthy a person as Mother Teresa in your eyes.

>>25196702
Oh yeah. That guy too. That was pretty manly.
"lol just go run under this meteor"
"O-fucking-kay!"

Don't mind me, just repopulating the Earth

>>25196453
No you aren't getting it. That's like saying someone is a great tennis player for managing to hit the ball over the net once given that he is unimaginably terrible at tennis. It's nonsense.

>>25196860

Your analogy is complete retarded. Did you even fucking watch the show? Shinji's choice was "Do you want humanity to live in a big happy blob where you will never feel ANY pain and you will never feel insecurity ever again? Or do you want people to be individuals again, with all the pain that goes with it?"

Again, this isn't making an arbitrary "obvious" decision about saving the world, it's about breaking free of one's depression, social anxiety, and insecurity, which very well does require a conscious struggle and effort.

Jean = best Gainax boy

you aren't a man unless you've thrown a galaxy

>>25197121
Exactly, something synthetic and fake for something real

>>25197121

Hell...I've always felt like the Tang would be a good end.

>>25197186
Though Seele, the protaganists, would have achieved their goal.

I'm sure Yui must've kept them tanged.

>>25196860
>>25197074
I do have to agree with you on this. On just that choice alone, he cannot be considered manly.

But some of those angel fights were pretty much him ejaculating his manliness all over the enemy. The order seems wrong: Overcoming everything then overcoming yourself
Vs.
Overcoming yourself to gain to power to overcome the universe.

But, like the additive property, I think that the order doesn't make that much of a difference.

manliness and courage work in a similar way
what might scare some could be meaningless to others

>>25196451

There is no "One" in real life, everybody is that guy living in a shitty underground city. The people who give up are the pussies, either by self-destructing or shutting away reality. The people who don't, are the manly ones.

>>25197121
I don't think the former sounds appealing to anyone. No one wants to lose their individuality. The choice is easy.

>>25197121

I'd imagine most people would definitely choose the Tang route

>>25197121
A making a choice emphatically does not require conscious struggle and effort. If Shinji had had to exert himself and fight for it and maintain his willpoer for more than a single fucking instant then I'd acknowledge him , but he's doing as little as someone who thinks "I'm gonna give up smoking!" then relapses after a few hours.

>>25197328
This. If Instrumentality had offered individual happiness, then it might actually be a choice

>>25197328
>I don't think the former sounds appealing to anyone. No one wants to lose their individuality. The choice is easy.

That's why suicide doesn't exist, right?

Anno admitted that they're the same character and the shows are based on how they would react in difference universes, it's purposeful

>>25197222

They would've just chosen to stay tanged. It's what they wanted in the first place.

>>25195488

Many Gainax shows use a similar character archetype for the lead (Noriko is the same as well, just a female version). Their implementation, however, varies from show to show.

>>25197423

cool story bro, too bad Anno only worked on one of the shows in OP

>>25197420

They're just trying to make themselves taller!

>>25197420
Number of people not committing suicide>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>the quitters.

>>25197341
A lot of people would say they'd go for the reality but really choose tang while a lot of people you would expect to pick tang would pussy out and take the moral high ground of reality.
Its really not as easy choice to predict, when facing something like that people tend to do weird things.

Personally, Id go for the tang end and kill anyone that gets in the way of glorious tang end.

>>25197420
Because everyone in the world is killing themselves, right? You just proved that point.

>>25197420

Most people who committ suicide and suffer depression are just doing it for the attention. Nobody could actually want to give up their individuality for this false happiness.

Shinji's decision to reject instrumentality doesn't mean anything. He probably just goes back to being a whiny faggot bitch a few minutes after anyways.

Grow up? Please.

>>25197229
I don't think anyone here would claim that Shinji is manly during most of the tv series.

>>25197554

Finally, SOMEONE gets it.

>>25197554
He actually goes crazy from being the only human left on earth for an undisclosed period of time.

Nice to see my offhand remark about Shinji spawned a discussion

>>25197648
Karma end for being such worthless piece of shit.

Lets list this shit.
Refusing orders to run away and stabs a giant dildo
Sniping a giant octahedron with all of Japan's power
Synchronizes with Asuka for a week
Diving into a volcano to save Asuka
Kills an angel with a round of bullets
Runs at SUPER SPEED to catch a miles wide angel from orbit
Mans up after one of his best friends is hurt to mutilate the strongest Angel yet
Starts third impact 2.0 in the same battle
Stabs a giant version of Rei
Fights Unit-02, Stabs it in the head, kills the only friend he had in a while

>>25197586
I agree, but the angel wars do have some bright spots for shinji. The 10th the lava angel come to mind, the title of manliness has been thrown around /a/ for much less (though I don't think it should be.)

Not a confrontational question: Do you think that being a pussy in general subtracts manliness points from his achievements in the field?

>>25197686
Did you not watch End of? He doesn't stay crazy.

>>25197554
>Most people who committ suicide and suffer depression are just doing it for the attention. Nobody could actually want to give up their individuality for this false happiness. Shinji's decision to reject instrumentality doesn't mean anything.

And this is why Eva made no sense.

old /a/ was able to understand shinji, beyond what happened in the end

>>25197679
>Implying mentioning Eva isn't the easiest way to spark 100 post debates

>>25197746

It's beacuse new /a/ is flooded with normalfags,

>>25197746
anyone who discovered 4chan before it got popular, and spent most of their time here, is that much of loser. No wonder they eat up this emo shit.

>>25197721
Not with respect to the achievements in the field per se, but personality is of course a significant part of being manly. Most shounen adventure protagonists end up defeating the greatest source of evil in the universe or becoming the most powerful ______ ever, but not all of them get called manly.

>>25197554

It's not false happiness. If you're happy you're happy.

Individuality is only something we value because we don't have any other way of experiencing things.

If the tang means there's no suffering for anyone it's a hard choice to not consider very seriously.

Considering how much shit life has tossed Shinji and basically everyone he knows....Deciding that he was going to risk individuality on the off chance things would get better? That'd take one hell of an optimistic mindset.

I think the best argument against tang end is that there might not be happiness either...Instead there would only be existence devoid of good/bad.

>>25197858
>>25197745
>>25197554

>>25198026

oh please

The show is supposed to show the mental state of a child going through puberty and how fragile it is. You all act as if you would just make a simple decision but you are just faggots viewing from the 3rd person you arent in his shoes and you truely can't say what you would do because you aren't in that extremely stressful situation. You all 'think' what you would do but you have exterior knowledge of the actions going on and time to think since you are simply watching a show that you can pause. ITT: People ignorant to the brilliance of the human psyche displayed in this great anime series.

>>25198068
Self insertion is something that I hoped people grew out of when they were children.

>>25198017
If a happy person from real life was put in his place I'd bet they'd got for individuality without much fretting.
But that's the difference...Eva's in what's already a post apocalyptic world. They're being attacked by giant...things...from....somewhere?... No one really knows how events on that scale would effect humanities mindset.

>>25197941
>but personality is of course a significant part of being manly.

Good point. I suppose it's all or nothing. Anything less would just water down the meaning of "manly" since a lot of random mooks (even naruto) would earn the title if it's only achievement based.

I'm going to venture that a key component manliness is simply the ability to inspire admiration and inspiration as well as achievement.

Renton--Eureka Seven episode 50
Simon-lol

In that case, Shinji (and maybe naota) while pretty good at his job, isn't really manly at all because his off duty personality pulls the plug on any admiration of him.

And for all you baddies, the option of people being turned into LCL was the choice to reset humanity. Let it grow again from the primordial soup we originated as, under the hopes that we wouldn't evolve into the same selfish beings that try so hard to achieve gods powers. Didn't you pay attention to what Seele was trying to accomplish? They understood the idea that humans are their own downfall (last angel is humans themselves) so they knew they should reset things. It was Gendo Ikari that was trying to grasp the power of god for himself. Look at the Kaworu Nagisa, he realized that humans as they are, are flawed. Seele = Nietzsche.

>>25198068
There is no way to put ourselves in his shoes, but that doesn't make his character a realistic one by default

>>25198017
>It's not false happiness. If you're happy you're happy.

It's more like getting high 24/7 just to escape from the world, or wearing a social mask in front of everyone because of how much you hate yourself, or not doing anything with your life and just meekly "existing" because it's easier than actually meeting people or taking risks. Taking the easy way out and living a life without meaning because you're too afraid to face reality, that's all Tang and Instrumentality represented.

And that's why Shinji got congratulated, because he rejected that.

>>25198308
No, the LCL was the choice to make humanity into one single being. That sucks. No one is going to choose that.

>>25198308
No, LCL was reverting us to our original form then combining us all into one supreme being.

Seele WAS trying to achieve god powers. Gendo only wanted his wife back and was using the power of god to do it.

>>25198387
Unrealistic? The Porcupines Dilemma is a real psychological state of being, it is a form of lack of self confidence. This was formed off his fucked up childhood and his inferiority complex. The entire show is a constant struggle for him to prove to himself that he isnt worthless but he lets the fear overcome him for the most of it. Hes a what? 10? 13? year old boy, most kids at that age think the word gay is funny. All characters are under the realm of reality as far as mental psychosis goes. Shinji was congratulated at the end due to his ability to control his existentialistic control over his mind. Leaving reality into his own created reality where he can be himself and everyone likes him, thus not letting the fear control him thus returning him to that state of depressing 'porcupine dilemma'.

>>25198389

Oh come on, nobody actually does those things in real life. Anybody with half a mind would reject instrumentality. Who'd want to give up their individuality?

>>25198551
And Seele was in control, so the choice was still.
"You want humanity to be one being? Y/N"

>>25198585

This is one of the smartest things said on /a/, EVER. Because it's right.

>>25198612
>Oh come on, nobody actually does those things in real life.

Your trolling is far too obvious

>>25198585
Except that even people with fucked up childhoods don't want to become a single blob of humanity. The fact that the show markets that as a hard choice for him is what is unrealistic for his character.

>>25198710

Read >>25198389. That is what people choosing to be part of a "single blob of humanity" means.

Of course Shinji had the power over everyone in this case, but that doesn't really matter, it was a personal decision.

>>25198710
By the end of the show his entire mental state was broken, shattered. All he wanted was to be loved. You could even go as far as to say by having humanity become on entity there would be no hate, or fear, only love for oneself. Be returning to the reality where everyone has their personality and individuality he would be returning himself to the world of fear because not everyone would love him. Controlled by his fear he chose instrumentality to seal that he wouldn't ever be hurt again, only loved.

>>25198812
No that is not the same. Being high 24/7 is still an individual action, same with everything else he mentioned. A sense of individuality is something that no one is going to give up. Being a single human blob is different from living a shitty life of escapism (you escape to relieve your bad feelings, and stress, meaning that you care about your own emotional well being--an individual thought process)

>>25198472
>>25198389
>>25198308
>>25198017
>>25197502
Another reason why Shinji's actions in episode 26 cannot be evalated as manly is because there is never any definition of what instrumentality means. It's never said whether instrumentality would really entail genuine, eternal salvation for the entire human race or be a contrived, stagnating mass where nothing ever changes that cannot even be considered as alive.

If we were in Shinji's position being conjoined with rei we'd be able to judge whether it was "hey, this is the most profound happiness I've ever felt in my whole life I must allow all members of humanity to experience this" or "it's pleasant enough but it feels like I'm slowly dying". No clear indication is given one way or the other so we don't know by what criteria Shinji reached his decision.

>>25198710

Yeah cause molested kids never end up with their entire lives ruined because of various psychological issues.

They never use drugs or sex or anything as tools for escape. Never.

>>25199012
see
>>25198971

Seele realized in the last episodes/movie that humanity is flawed. Look at the quote "The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth." That's why they realized trying to become gods is worthless because they still have flaws due to human personalities. They weren't trying to control gods powers unlike gendo, hence why they accepted their LCL transformation as the unification. They simply wanted humanity to force itself to the furthest state of evolution. Gendo wanted to control the world his own way.

>>25198971

It's just a metaphor, Tang is just the idealistically perfect escapist lifestyle, but an ecapist lifestyle nonetheless. The reason one would accept either is to escape.

You are all ignorant if you think there arent humans that would give up their individuality to do what shinji did. Did you not see the swedish kid that shot up his school wearing the 'fuck humanity' shirt? That is a small sample of that idea. Thats what nihilism is in its extremism, think of it like the Vulcan race, they purge themselves of emotion as to not cloud their judgement and further their state of being. Shinji's choice was not unrealistic especially considering his state of depression/fucked up childhood.

>>25198971

They escape to relieve themselves of any feelings at all, which is what Tang is

We don't really know what it would be like to exist after instrumentality.

Nobody mentions Ayato Kamina?

>>25198710
Reduce this to it's barest elements:
Guy has shitty life
Guy has option to make life better, although it would also be a different type of life.
Or he can go back to his shitty life and try to make it better.

If you can't see why the first option wouldn't be considered you're not thinking.

Just because the definition of his human existence would be changed does not make it an inherently wrong choice if that existence is somehow better than the prior existence.

>>25196051
what? WHAT? Your comment makes not a lick of sense.

>>25196147
In the manga, NAOTA actually kills his dad.

"I tried to include everything of myself in Neon Genesis Evangelion - myself, a broken man who could do nothing for four years. A man who ran away for four years, one who was simply not dead."

Kamina is a badass. Everyone in those pictures are sad excuses for men

>>25196276
I laughed

>>25196838
I remember too.

Here's my favorite explanation of what instrumentality is.

It's how the Anti-Spiral was created.

I don't actually believe it, but it's good for some brick shitting.

I tell you what...I think it takes one hell of person to side in favor of keeping humanity as it is as opposed to a possibly better alternative when you know how shit a lot of humanity often is.

>>25199540
>screenshot from /b/
>August 2009
gb2/b/

Instrumentality just means to forced to the furthest evolutionary state. It's really not that hard of a concept...

>>25199408
>>25199367
Except the new life or escape is devoid of something fundamental that will not be given up by any human.

>>25199752
People that commit suicide prove your theory wrong.

>>25199616
>you know how shit a lot of humanity often is.
See, this is a sentiment I could never agree with. Most of humanity is good as I see it, and I can say that because:

1. There's more of us
2. We keep progressing forward
3. We have not destroyed ourselves.

People look at how there's more selfishness, death, hunger, and evil than ever before, but they fail to realize that they are a result of the good to begin with.

It's the "frog in the well" question. The frog takes two leaps up and one leap back. People focus on that back leap till the end, and forget that we are still progressing anyway. As long as humanity is progressing, as long as we continue making more complex chemicals, molecules, and atoms, as long as we continue exploring further and further each time, I will still have faith in us.

Thank you /a/ for this thread

>>25199793
Shinji tried that a few times, I believe, actually. But he ultimately chose to live each time.

>>25199621
hi jake!

>>25197554
Why would you say that? Shinji specifically said he wanted to live in a world where people existed as individuals, a world where he would have to live on as an individual. It's pure denying happiness for reality.

>>25199821
Without evil, a large amount of good does not exist. You should take some philosophy classes.

>>25199821
Your whole post is a fucking joke holy shit.

>1. There's more of us
Why is this a positive? Being a virus does not make something good.

>2. We keep progressing forward
Because of the merits of the brilliant people... not the general humanity as a whole

>3. We have not destroyed ourselves.

Yet... we more than have the capability to do so. The thing a human does best is kill other humans.

In general humanity is dog shit... this is pretty undeniable. It's the few people that are worth it keeping the whole thing afloat.

>>25199888
More accurately than "denying happiness," Shinji accepts sadness. Eva argues that it's possible to live a happy life, but the pain of things like loneliness will always be present in a world where individuals exist as separate, unique identities.

>>25197709
>Sniping.
-Campers are fags
>Synchronizing
-It's his job
>Asuka is his best friend
-what?
>Stabs giant Rei
-He was fuckin freaking out, i'm I would stab the shit out of the giant shapeshifting thing
>Killing Karouadfasfs
-That or world=kaputs

>Discussion of anime on /a/
Wow.

This thread.

>>25199854
The fact that suicide exists is still proof that people are willing to give up their individuality to relieve themselves of pain. Yet again, some basic principles of Nihilism. "The thought of suicide is a great consolation: by means of it one gets successfully through many a bad night." ~Nietzsche

>>25199752

Yes they do.

Tang is the just an artistically perfect view of the escapist lifestyle, to prove a point. It means just as much as wanting to and attempting to not feel anything, living a life where you're simply not dead, just like Anno

>>"Hey emo kid, do you feel like ending the world today?"
>>"Nah, not that much."
>>There. That kid has just become as much of a man as Shinji is.

You're discounting the terrible suffering Shinji has endured his entire life.

>>25199995
None of this is meaningful. The "few great men" theory of history is not only a laughably oversimplified theory, but one can easily argue that if we consider only the "influential few" the evil/good ratio is hardly any better than it is with the general population. In fact, I would personally argue that the scale tips FARTHER in the immoral direction.

>>25200028
>>25200033
Now go away!

this is the place for real manly discussion thread!

No other people like you would dare to enter it!

>>25199793
Suicide is not giving up your individuality. Even an atheist seeks relief in suicide, relief can only be felt as an individual not as just lolnonexistence.

>>25199398
Ayato Kamina was manly as hell. He eloped with a girl, twice; when people pushed him around he didn't take their shit, he left; he knew how to handle bitches and when he was given the power of God he did what the fuck he wanted with it.

If Ayato Kamina had been in in Evangelion he would have made Misato fall madly in love with him, he would have become head of the class and made Kouji and that other guy his underlings, he would have told Kaworu to get out of his face and instead banged Misato senseless, when Gendou started giving him shit he would have abducted Rei and gone on a joy ride in the Eva across Japan, he would have beaten all the mass produced Eva's single handedly and told Asuka to take a breather, and when Rei was straddling his lap during instrumentality he would have 1. fucked her senseless and 2. asked for everyone to regain indivicuality and be made the God damn King of the World. That's Ayato Kamina!

>>25200230
>If Ayato Kamina had been in in Evangelion he would have made Misato fall madly in love with him

Congratulations you just discovered the actual point of Rah Xephon, the first Eva fanfic to ever be animated.

episode 19 only good episode

>>25199869
Where have you been this whole time?

>>25200184

in⋅di⋅vid⋅u⋅al⋅i⋅ty  [in-duh-vij-oo-al-i-tee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the particular character, or aggregate of qualities, that distinguishes one person or thing from others; sole and personal nature: a person of marked individuality.
2. individualities, individual characteristics.
3. a person or thing of individual or distinctive character.
4. state or quality of being individual; existence as a distinct individual.
5. the interests of the individual as distinguished from the interests of the community.
6. Archaic. state or quality of being indivisible or inseparable

So tell me how not existing is still being an individual?

>>25200066
It's not so much about giving up individuality, I don't think. I don't think that really plays a factor in suicide.

Willingly going into an old home would probably be a better metaphor. A desire to live, but a desire to be dependent.

People who see the manliness of stereotypical one-note macho anime characters as anything but a source for amusement are guaranteed to be creepy defective authority-worshiping weak "beta-males". No exceptions.

Just thought this needed to be added here.

>>25200419
One of the things you have to accept when you commit suicide is that you will no longer be a person, a living being of society, or any social status. You are giving up your individuality in that respect, that you will not exist, thus not being unique or special.

>>25200440
>stereotypical one-note macho anime characters.

Which of OP's characters are you referring to?

>>25200440
This.

Oh excuse me
shinji doesn't need to make thing explode to prove how manly he is

also, SHINJI RIDES HIS OWN MOTHER THE WHOLE SERIES

By choosing instrumentality he is in a sense committing suicide, he will no longer be the him himself. He will have no conscious memory of his prior life. He may exist as a single entity now along with numerous other people, but he is not himself, and since there is no other person for comparison there is no individuality only one entity. Same thing is to be said if everything were dead or if one person is dead. For them there is no difference now, just existence as the reformed state of energy now dispersed throughout the rest of the material universe.

The things Shinji did before the end were more meaningful to me than just rejecting instrumentality.
Dealing with fucking Asuka, piloting the Eva, working for his father.

>>25199821
That's not what the point of that was.
Yeah, progress is made and there are good people but that doesn't change that suffering and bad people exist.

I've got two points about why one might choose instrumentality and why it is a valid option for consideration (and really I'd understand anyone picking either option):
1. The so called drawback of instrumentality - lack of individuality - is not an experience that humans have ever been in. That does not make it inherently bad or good. It is different. Until it can be experienced we have no basis for judgment.
2. Instrumentality has an explicitly good point. It eliminates suffering. With rare exception I don't think you'll find people are in favor of suffering.

So if we gave everyone the choice I think we'd find any type of person could choose either option.
Over all I'd expect depressed and dissatisfied people to pick the tang more often compared to those that are well adjusted because it would eliminate personal suffering. I'd also expect people with more humanistic or "make the world a better place" type personalities to pick it slightly more often because it would eliminate others' suffering.

>>25200333
Just gone in to /jp/, went to the mental hospitalbecause of suicide attempt and etc.

>>25200287
Bitches don't know 'bout my episode 15.

>>25200350
Suicide is not about giving up individuality in exchange for something else, it's about just giving up individuality. That's the problem with that definition. It doesn't account for the sacrifice and the exchange.

>>25200488
True, but that's like saying that suicide is about not owning a dog. When you commit suicide, you no longer own your dog. It's true, but it's not necessarily the motivation for suicide.

But you are right about people being willing to give it up.

>>25200527
It was more addressed to certain posts in this thread.