Oh crap, so did I.

You bastard!

I was playin WoW

How ironic that Japan continues to take the lives of our country's young men all these years after WWII. A Memorial Day moment of silence for you, OP.

I want to play WoW too!

WTF is W0W?

I hide Memorial Day weekend. I do not leave the house for ANYTHING.

Every fucking Memorial Day I get fined or arrested or someone gets maimed or killed. Worst fucking holiday ever.

I spend most of my time on /a/ just trying to find the thread I just responded to. Where the hell is that Kagami thread now?!! Fucking hyperspace!

I spent it idling on Team Fortress because Valve is made up of faggots and came up a gay new way of unlocking items.

I won't celebrate Memorial Day until America (Specifically Obama representing America) apologizes for the countless innocent lives they took.

I won't be seen remembering soldiers who died in an armed Military base filled to the knees with weapons until America apologizes for their killing of innocents in Iraq, Vietnam, and especially their 2 acts of Terrorism in Japan.

Fucking hypocrites, "WE BLOW UP JAPAN KILLING MILLIONS OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!"
"HEY WTF WHY YOU BOMB OUR BUILDINGS OSAMA? THAT'S NOT NICE >:("

I spent my entire memorial day weekend not realizing it was memorial day weekend, playing GTASA, and being blazed off my ass.
Good times were had.

>>21576347
TF2 sucks, play a real mans fortress game like QWTF.

I spent my entire Memorial Day trying to put this goddamn shelf together. Finally got it though.

no one in japan is innocent

>>21576476
Hungarian shelf? http://www.instructables.com/id/Hungarian-Shelves/

>>21576377
Sorry to derail the thread, but Japan attacked the US first.
Maybe you should actually read up what happened instead of basing your entire opinion around JAPAN IS AWESOME ANIME IS KAWAII ^_^.

>>21576377
Troll harder

I spent my entire weekend working on a speech for my speech class. Its halfway done and due to be presented wednesday. I very well might be boned.

>>21576377
Troll must be jealous, America kicks ass.

>>21576544
Their attack on Pearl Harbor was fucking stupid and useless, yes.

That doesn't excuse American forces from getting Nuclear Warheads and Killing Hundreds of Thousands of people who have never made a military decision in their life WHILE Japan was already prepared to fucking surrender.

Their entire goal was to "Cause as much damage as possible" to *scare* Japan into a surrender with less conditions.
American Army=Terrorists.

>>21576645
And the Japanese have nothing against them either?
How about you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7yDOXGmtro

>>21576377
The fact that some people say that shit seriously would upset me if it wasn't so pathetic.

I wasted my weekend playing TF2.

And by "playing" I mean "doing something else while sitting in achievement_idle"

I was playing l4d and tf2

Still pretty bad, but at least it's not /a/

>>21575903

>>21576686
>War crimes makes it okay to kill Thousands of people who have been law-abiding their whole lives.

You're missing the point completely.

>>21576645

durr hurr hurr

The Japanese were fucking insane. They were planning on either complete and total victory or death of their nation. Everybody would've died, or at least everybody would've fought off their opponents until they themselves were killed. This means millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of American lives. What's the loss of two cities when compared to the entire nation and our own people? Besides, you wouldn't have your precious animu if we would've went all out.

Japan had to be forced into submission.

Dropping nukes saved lives, a lot more Japanese & Americans would have died, than did, if they had not surrendered. But then there is no satisfying people who are already brain dead.

>>21576377
I wish I could hate you dead. 10/10

>>21576377
0/10

>>21576645

>>21576645
>WHILE Japan was already prepared to fucking surrender.
Are you fucking retarded?

>>21576806
I'm sort of agreeing with this guy right now.

The majority of people killed/injured by the 2 Nuclear Bombs weren't military, that couldn't have had anything to do with Pearl Harbor or torturing Prisoners of war.

It's just a stupid "Punish the country for what a few Dozen/Hundred men did/decided" situation.

It's at least balancing on that line between War and Terrorism.

Wasn't WWII like 70-80 years ago?

pretty sure it was brah

I just came on /a/ for the first time in days after enjoying my four-day Memorial weekend.
Looks like I made a good decision.

>>21576854
I read somewhere that Japan was already prepared to surrender with 3 conditions when the Bombs were dropped.

But I'm not getting involved with this shit.

>>21576894
The fact that the Japanese used Kamikazes refutes that completely.

>>21576854
hey fuckhead

>>21576865
Thats what war is dumbass. Name me one war, one in the history of earth, that didn't involve the death of many for the ambitions of few.

And what the hell is with people calling America an inhumane nation for something that happened almost 70 years ago. Most WW2 vets are dead. Deal with it.

>>21576916
What's up, cunt?

>>21575903
could've been worse, could've spent it on /b/

Fuck yeah, Russo-Japanese war!

>>21576894
Yeah, I guess that explains why the Japanese still refused to surrender after the first bomb was dropped.

Toilet thread instead.

>>21576907
What?
How?
Were they even doing attacks on the last few days/weeks before the bombing?

>>21576927
just stupidity in his highest form

>>21576806
>law-abiding
I don't think you understand war at all, it doesn't matter, they attacked the US, they got attacked back.

>>21576645
No they were not preparing to surrender until after the first bomb.

>>21576894
You read the above poster's post.

>>21576377
>2 acts of Terrorism in Japan.
oh come on, the firebombing of Tokyo and Osaka killed way more the atom bombs
stupid noobs

>>21576956
Well, that completely goes against what was said in the Article, but okay.

I think they could have just done raids on Military outposts to weaken their spirit, weaken their forces, all the while not killing innocent Women and Children rather than Nuking the place, but whatever.

I said I'm not getting involved with this, and I'm not.

>>21576925
>Name me one war, one in the history of earth, that didn't involve the death of many for the ambitions of few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War
I was going to post this to be a smartass, but I guess even in the case of the shortest war there were a lot of deaths. You're right though.

Also fuck this thread, I almost wish the U.S. never used the atomic bombs just because it would have taken one thing away from all you retards arguing against it.

I spent the day with my friends (You guys)

>>21576993
i see so the nuclear strike was okay since not SO MANY
people died.

>>21576894

Japan was not going to surrender. They wanted to fucking rule the world. America said "fuck you" and nuked their asses.

Now they don't even have a real military.

Hehe, if nothing else this is very entertaining. Yes all war is wrong, but especially if America is involved, America should just die. Well don't worry guys, if Obama has his way, we will.

fixed spelling

>>21577039
>I said I'm not getting involved with this, and I'm not.

Well you fucking responded to it 3 times, so you just fucking did get involved.

>>21576925
I didn't say WWII was the only war where innocents were killed, I said Obama needs to publicly apologize to the innocent families that have been even slightly effected by the wars, because America, a huge country, fucking gets away with it, I don't expect revenge, I don't expect punishment, all I ask is they APOLOGIZE FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, IS THAT HARD?

>>21577060

A few thousand died.

Compare that with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of lives that would've been lost during the invasion of Japan. The Japanese would've been slaughtered, American/Russian troops would've taken a hard hit, and the world would be in a worse state.

Japan ignored the ultimatum and the Potsdam Conference's demands of surrender (They were clearly at a loss, the Americans had taken most of the islands and the Russians had signed up at the Conference to dedicate troops), so it was clear they would not give up. It was the most effective way of getting them to end. It WAS a use of fear to get the enemy to surrender, but I'll choose fear over the death of millions any day.

I went to a movie with some friends.

I'm the only one who's still single.

>>21577144
do you even get what afterefects zhis damn bomb had?
until today people getting sick because of it and die.

The fact that the Japanese regularly used Kamikazes in Naval battles reveals how far they were willing to go to achieve victory. They were willing to spend as many lives as they needed to. They fought to the last man on Iwo Jima and on Okinawa. On Okinawa alone they lost 100,000 troops. After the first bomb was dropped, and after the Soviet Union declared war, Tokyo declared martial to prevent anyone from negotiating peace. Yes, the Japanese were totally committed to protecting their people and ending the war at whatever cost.

>>21577060
Oh you, 5/10

>>21577144
Hey, guess what.

Did you know that if the American Military had bombed Military outposts they could have prevented that? Barely affecting innocent people, if at all?

No, they decided to Nuke the place and kill innocent people, barely taking any Military forces out in the process.

You know what? Average soldier doesn't give a crap about politics. Who joins with complicated notions of geo-politics on their mind? They do it cause their patriotic, causes society respects the vets, or cause that's what gran-pappy did. The holiday's for the grunts, not the politicians.

And I blew the day on anime and rpgs btw...

>>21577178
There are still Chinese today who are sick and dying because of the Japanese germ warfare.

>>21577142
Why does he need to apologize for a WAR, that happened before his time?

>>21577144
Exactly.

>>21577159
I think you're in the wrong thread; this one is clearly about WWII.

Oh, wait . . .

>>21577142
Shut up stupid. Every country causes the death of innocents. Whether they are their own or not. Why the fuck should Obama apologize? What the hell is the point?

Even if he did it wouldn't mean anything. Someone who has been president for 5 months isn't responsible for the faults of a 230 year old nation. His apologies would mean nothing, and none of it is fault anyway.

I don't get why people think America should be apologizing for shit. ALL nations do awful things. Does that mean all nations should have a monthly apology session?

where are those beware the gook cartoons pic when you need them?

>>21577142
No, we don't have to apologize for shit. The Japanese were evil, and they had to be stopped. If anyone needs to apologize to the Japanese people, it's the Japanese government. The same goes for every other country we waged war with.

>>21577191
You're mixing opinions here.

Japan was not in the right either, the Military were fucking idiots.

Does that mean Innocent people have to die?
Please, see
>>21577205

>>21577142

How's this sound? I'll agree that we apologize to the Japanese for nuking them when they apologize to the Chinese, pacific islanders, American PoWs, and numerous other countries for what they did to them during the war because they considered themselves 'lol superior'.

Instead they try to pretend it never happened. Check out the Rape of Nanking sometime.

This thread is a good example why American history should be a mandatory subject and closely guarded against revisionists (aka liars).

Oh wait a min, this is /a/ isn't it? What do political discussions have to do with /a/?

>>21577205
The nuke at first wasn't intended to be so devastating.
>>21577275
Exactly, it's their fault for waging war with a global power.

>>21577275
This.

I like OP's pic.

LESS WWII FAGGOTRY AND MORE LOLIS TAKING A DUMP

>>21577205

I've never heard of this before. To my knowledge it's not documented in any history text book or any other source that talks about World War II. So, either your family has incredibly secret connections to the Government, or your lying out your ass.

>this thread

>>21577360
He watches anime, he knows everything about Japan.

>>21577205
Their government was training school girls to fight with spears and stockpiling rocks for little kids to throw at people. The radicals were convinced they could win a war of attrition.
The bombing involved a bunch a things. We blew a bunch a money on nukes and had to show something for it, the Japanese military was being difficult, the Cold War was about to start, the fighting was already a war of attrition etc etc

There's really no moral high ground to take here

>>21577275
>>21577213
Hey now, recently our Australian Prime Minister apologized to the Aboriginal families who were affected by the period of time where Aboriginal Children were taken from them, the reason for this escapes me.

Ruddkip wasn't a part of this, he didn't decide it, but he knows it was the wrong thing to do and nobody in his position admitted that before.

Point is, it proves the Government has swallowed it's pride on something they could have done much better, and we all respect him for that.

But mindless Patriotism is getting in the way of that.
You're like School Kids who refuse to make up.

>>21577275

Although I think the bomb was the right option, we do have to make up for our policies here at home. Our own Japanese Internment Camps were against our Constitution and their basic human rights.

>>21575903
Sucks to be you. I spent mine doing productive things like photoshopping pictures for the exclusive purpose of posting them on /a/.

Wait, that's more pathetic, huh? FUCK.

>>21577404
Excuse me, it was not only not Obama's fault at all, but it was a FUCKING WAR. Get over yourself, you call us school kids and you don't know shit about anything.

>>21577411
Even Canada had Japanese internment camps.

>>21577404
Uh. Thats not the same thing at all. If you were arguing about doing right by Native Americans we might have something similar, but that has nothing to do with winning a war.

>>21577205
It's not the duty of the American Military to be concerned with Japanese lives, it's their duty to be concerned with AMERICAN ones. Dropping the bombs ended the war years earlier than your alternative would've taken. Japan was the one who attacked first, they were practically the catalyst for the entire fucking world war, they're the ones who invaded American soil, they had to be put in their place.

>>21577205
>No, they decided to Nuke the place and kill innocent people, barely taking any Military forces out in the process.
> barely taking any Military forces out in the process.
>implying that Nagasaki had no military value
I know you're trolling but this is a lot of fun

>>21577404
We apologized for our mistreatment of Native Americans and Slaves. It's similar because these are affairs that took place within the country.

>>21577338
>The nuke at first wasn't intended to be so devastating.

And so they drop a fucking second one, sounds good to me.

>>21577360
I don't think you've spent any time in the Military, not that I blame you, but the general tactics of warfare, setting up outposts are incredibly similar across countries, they might have missed the patrol officers and cars going around the Innocent houses making sure no Americans were there, but they would have taken out their main bases of Operation, you know, where they keep the damn Food and Ammunition.
Something I figured out in my first year of Military completely went past the entire American Army's heads after years of training and experience.

I even asked many of my fellow soldiers and superiors, they pretty much all agreed but said it's over, Japan was evil they needed to be stopped etc.
Pretty much this whole thread but without the Animu pictures.

>>21577488

Woah, woah woah. Japan, catalyst for WW2? Wat? The most they did was get the U.S. actively participating in it.

>>21577205
The US DID bomb military outposts.

Hiroshima was the headquarters of several divisions which jointly co-ordinated and oversaw the defense of all of southern Japan, while Nagasaki was a major military industrial city producing ships, ordinance, and materials and responsible for shipping resources and supplying troops. Both targets had significant strategic military importance over and above the potential psychological impact of their attack.

Who made ammunition in these classic wars while the men were out fighting?

>>21577528
Yes, however every Country with their, almost Immature feeling of Patriotism refuses to Apologize to another country for their bad acts until the other apologizes first.

Normally Humans stop being so stuck-up like that when they reach puberty, but oh no, AMERICAWN PRIED WE ARE GODS.

>>21577528
Obviously because our mistreatment of Native Americans still effects Native Americans, and the mistreatment of African Americans only stopped about 60-70 years ago.

>>21575903

who cares? It's not like this weekend is any more special than any other.

except in shitmerica maybe.

>>21577039
>just done raids on Military outposts
there were no military targets left. the reason hiroshima and nagasaki were chosen as targets was because they were basically the only places that we hadn't already bombed the shit out of the old fashioned way.

>>21577488
I understand all this.

All I'm asking is America realize this is worth an Apology.
Prove your Country really is above all others by doing the fucking Mature thing, make a lot of Families happy, piss off Inbred rednecks, and gain respect from people in both Countries.

>>21577579
>>Normally Humans stop being so stuck-up like that when they reach puberty

Do you live under a rock or something? And it doesn't change that people are singling out America for something that every country everywhere does. There is NO value in apologizing for something that happened the better part a century ago, especially where a war for survival was involved.

>>21577637
The apology would mean nothing, this all happened before their time in a WAR...

>>21577544
*sigh*

You just don't get it.

These bases could have been attacked with much smaller, Cheaper bombs, and the blasts would not have killed Innocent people.

Effectively leaving more money to spend on the same Cheaper, smaller Bombs to get rid of even MORE Military outposts.

ITT: /a/-Politics.

>>21577637
Nobody cares. Why do you think people care? Nobody cares but people who think America IS THE DEMONS. And no apology is going to fix that. I don't know why anyone would want such an empty apology in the first place.

>>21577670
For fuck sake. See
>>21477404

>>21577681
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>21577608
Wait, if that's the case, using Nukes makes even less sense...

When will japanese murders apologize to korea?

>>21577701
What tha fuck.
See
>>21577404
rather

>>21577681
Why do you assume it would be that easy?

>>21577740
Did you... manually type that in?

All the people here defending Japan are from America, and they obviously have no idea what they're talking about. I'm talking to you >>21577681

>>21577637
We don't have to apologize to Japan for a damn thing. Dropping the bomb saved more lives than you could imagine. A full scale invasion of the mainland would've claimed more lives than the bombs did.

>>21577728
That's the thing, America is a big, Powerful country, they can help other Countries see the light, see the mistakes they did, if America swallows their pride and apologizes for wrong things they did, the smaller Countries would most likely follow.

One fucking step closer to world peace, everybody wins.

>>21577701
There is no pride in a meaningless apology.

>>21577773
Japan was and is a big, powerful country, too.

>>21577681
Go back to /jp/ and never come back.
But then again we'll continue this on August 6

>>21577681
Even assuming you are right, there needed to be a surviving government to facilitate a surrender. If you had someone magically been able to completely destroy their ability to make war without killing innocent civilians, the civilians would have kept fighting.

>>21577755
6 years in the Australian Armed Forces not enough for you?
>>21577760
Quick reply with the Firefox extension, I must learn not to use it.
>>21577770
Already explained.
>>21577531

>>21577773
Nobody gives a damn about what America thinks. If America apologized everyone would see it as a meaningless stunt. No one would give a shit.

>>21577205
Histfag anon here calling bullshit.

The american military firebombed the shit out of tokyo and kyoto, reducing the civilian an residential areas to ashes, this much is true. But it was mainly because they were out of military targets.
Yea that's right, the american military RAN OUT OF MILITARY TARGETS TO BOMB during the second world war against japan. They had indisputable air superiority and after iwo could launch bombing missions whenever they wanted with virtually no causalities, so they reduced the entirety of japan to rubble, starting with the military outposts and bases.
In fact, The americans destroyed so much of Japanese military infrastructure that by 1945 the average Japanese soldier was on the verge of starving to death, had virtually no supplies, and was operating with minimal and often technologically inferior weaponry.

And don't argue with me, years of historical research plus an adequate (more adequate that your presumptuous claim of sudden military omnipotence) understanding of WWII era military tactics and policies support my argument.
TL,DR: I'm right, you're wrong, DEAL WITH IT BRAH.

>>21577827
I hate to break it to you, but no that isn't enough of a justification why you think you know how to win a world war. A few years military service in an inactive military does not create a tactical genius.

>>21577837
That, and the apology would be meaningless. You can't sympathize with someone that wasn't there.

>>21576377

thats why I rather sympathize with the muslims and chinese who hate americans with passion, then with americans, even through my country allied with them in WWII. I hope in not so far future america will be a broken country and we have some less faggots on our planet.

>>21577788
I don't even care if Obama means it, an Apology would mean a lot to people who's ancestor's were killed even though they did nothing wrong.
>>21577810
Okay, so Japan had been involved in the war for years, Women and Children were trying to live their lives as best they could.
Suddenly their Military powers are blown to smithereens, these people who for all we know didn't care about the war suddenly say they'll fight when the closest thing they have to guns and Ammunition are now rocks and slingshots?
Makes sense, and I give you a congratulation on your ability to read the Minds of dead people.

>>21577827
They may have had another motive for using the nukes.

I'm not an expert on WWII, but the nukes could intimidate other countries involved and prevent future attacks (other wars).