The opening kicks a lot of ass, though.

Also...

Fullmetal Alchemist.

Fullmetal Alchemist!

Because we've seen it all before.

Because you have your nostalgia goggles on.

>>21343451
Makes it a masterpiece.

Cause you already saw the first version.
If it was the other way around you would prefer this one and be all like "OMG WHY DID THEY MAKE HER A NIGGER!?!"
Tasteless faggot.

We need a fucking control group on this shit.

SOMEBODY GO FIND SOME FUCKERS WHO HAVEN'T WATCHED FMA!

I have my nostalgia goggles on and I still think this is the best series for a long time. I love every second of it and it's been a while since I felt like that from a new series.

>>21343434
See, take those ugly goggles off first.

IMO, the story progresses way too quickly and there's way too many slapstick and chibi and lol armor jokes.

Hurr durr, let's sum up a 51 episode show of which 7 episodes have been shown.

I think they used up all the production values on the two parts where Riza says "yameteyo" and Winry says "natsukashiku naru."

On an unrelated note I think I'll watch it just for the part where Hawkeye says, "When we're alone, the Colonel calls me 'Riza.'"

>>21343562
how long are you going to use that shitty argument? We're going to be 30 episodes in and you fags will still be saying that shit.

Most people could tell Soul Eater was going was going to be shit/good 7 episodes in but derp, can't do that with FMA LOL.

Full Metal Alchemist

FULL METAL ALCHEMIST

>>21343520

Why shouldn't it progress quickly? Everyone has already seen this shit, it's a formality until they get to new content.

I've only seen the first 3 episodes.

>>21343627

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffff

The first FMA's not even about Hiromu Arakawa's manga.

And by the way, the closing theme's way better.

First 3 or 4 episodes were shit, but fifth and sixth were pretty good.

Brotherhood is inferior because it is based of the manga, which just so happens to be overhyped mediocre shounen shit.

The mangafags will watch and hype up Brotherhood regardless of how good it actually is, so, unlike with the original anime, there is no real motivation to actually try and make a decent product. It is shit now and it will be shit at episode 30 and it will be shit when it ends.

OP's pic was freaking stupid to show in the anime opening. Ep. 157 when Ed finally gets his right arm back is going to have drastically less impact now because some idiots thought it would be kawaii!!1! to show teenage Ed with both his arms in the opening which appears before every episode. Also, he looks like a blond-haired Kimbley to show how much they fail.

I don't know what everyone's talking about.

Aside from the occasional QUALITY shot, I'm enjoying it immensely.

>>21343706
lol

>>21343520
....just like the manga then?

>>21343434
Because they're rushing through the stuff they already did in the first series so it seems a bit worse, and if they didn't you'd be whining "Why is Brotherhood just retreading the same stuff again?" because you are a whiny little shit.

And is that guy Ed's dad?

>>21343714

Hello mangafag why don't you just read the manga then? Better yet go read naruto or something.

This week's rendition of "Fullmetal Alchemist!" was the worst yet.

I haven't watched brotherhood yet, but how exactly are they speeding up the show? Are they cutting parts out or what?

why does everyone assume someone is a nostalgiafag or a troll for not liking something?

what happened to real hate?

>>21343817
They remove the staring and thinking and flashbacks and comments and talking within fights. Makes it faster.

They're biggest mistake is how they destroy the drama with excessive comic relief. It stops me from crying.

>>21343746
this

It's the manga, and the comedy and slapstick that people complain about IS IN THE MANGA.

Have fun watching your shit first series with chimera tucker and instead of stopping when it ran out of content they make up their own shit.

Have fun waiting till episode TWENTY FUCKING FIVE for Hughes to die, which happens at around chapter 15 in the manga.

Have fun wasting two entire episodes on the Nina "arc" which oh wait isn't an arc, it lasts one chapter in the manga.

>>21343817

The episodes themselves move faster, and some have been altered. Episode 7 just had Lust burn down the library by herself and the fight with Scar was chopped to a 20 second scene in the sewers, etc. Some episodes removed entirely, ie: they made a passing comment about how Ed thwarted whatshisface in the mining town from first one who was turning coal into gold or whatever.

Think they cut the whole Big O water city hospital nurse thief episode as well. I actually sort of liked that one.

>>21343626 how long are you going to use that shitty argument?
Until the season is over you dumb shit.

Then you can start making sweeping generalizations about the whole series rather than just going off not even half the total content.

Original is shit. 80% wall of text which doesn't make any sense. and 20% pandering to fangirls.

>>21343904

Typical mangafag. But the shitty character development/humor/plot is IN THE MANGA, you guys! It can't be bad if it's IN THE MANGA! Those anime guys made some shit up at the end, it's crap because it's not even IN THE MANGA!

"IN THE MANGA" does not cut it when the manga is shit.

I watched the original and found it pretty decent, same for the manga.

There's no reason to watch brotherhood.

>>21343699

You seem to be forgetting all the bullshit filler episodes of FMA, with just as much retarded shonen shit.

FMA could'a been much better if it'd cut out some'a the obviously unnescessary humour situations. Not saying make it GRIMDARK or something, just, don't fucking slap pointless stupid slapstick on where it doesn't belong.

>>21343976
Then by your logic anime based of shit must be shit.

Enjoy watching your shit first and second season.

>>21343913

Yes, you can make a generalization about a show from the beginning--in order for a show to be "good" it needs to have a good beginning, middle and end. Even if somehow Brotherhood turns itself around on episode 48, it would still be a shit show.

2nd season is pretty bad, none of the characters have been developed at all.

>>21343905
>>Big O water city hospital nurse thief episode
Wasn't in the manga.

>>21343905

>Think they cut the whole Big O water city hospital nurse thief episode as well.

Thank fucking christ. I spent that whole episode wanting them to drop a goddamn bridge on Al.

>I actually sort of liked that one.

Urgh...

>>21344053

yep, one reason why the manga is inferior. plus the annoying gook characters & the homunculi being mutated humans

>>21344001

The FMA anime, even in the first and second seasons, tightened up the character development of the manga and cut down on the number of retarded jokes. They also made Rose brown, and brown girls are cuter than paste-colored girls.

Thats why FMA anime, even in the beginning, was better liked than Brotherhood ever will be.

>>21343434
Why does his head look so wierd!?

FMA has maybe the worst comic relief I've ever seen. Romi Paku screaming is one of the most hideous sounds I can imagine, it's not funny at all.

>>21344086

The manga does right downhill as soon as the gooks show up with their "special healing arts". Them, Yoki, Marco, all of the filler chimera, and the weakass "super soldiers" are what brings the manga down imho.

I like how loyal Brotherhood is to the manga but the gags don't really work in anime format when they're just lazily copied like that. You can't draw a bunch of chibis screaming randomly and expect it to be comedy gold.

So the people complaining now wanted an exact copy of the first anime? That IS what you are saying right?

>>21344128
You've never read One Piece.

>>21343699

>>21344236

The anime kind of gave up on the manga and ended up fixing it by changing the plot entirely.

Perhaps Brotherhood could have tried to redeem the manga's basic plot by retelling it but changing the mood, the pacing, and the character development for the better?

Oh wait that would just piss of the mangafags. Those chibis are IN THE MANGA, so learn to like them, I guess.

>>21344292
he looks like a god damn rapist.

in b4 anon realizes OP's pic is teenage Hohenheim.

>>21344254
One Piece is actually funny at least in my opinion.

>>21344328
No.

Why can't you wait till it gets to uncovered material before deciding which is better?

>>21344328
>Ready Steady Go was way superior

Ready Steady Go wasn't the first opening you twit.

>>21344340
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW TEAM ANONYMOUS ROLLS

>>21344340
Go away

>>21344340
that's probably over 6 months away, and it will be 2010

>>21344340

Because it's not worth the time?

Common sense much?

Idiots don't know the pacing is completely different in the manga. Lior has zero importance later and all the backstory for Elric brothers comes much much later. Idiots.

>>21344236
You got my point there.

>>21344358
My common sense is better.

>>21344340

Isn't that a bit backward? If we want to compare what is "better", we should be comparing directly the episodes they have in common.

>>21344365
This.


You guys are just moaning that it isn't the same as the first series, it just happens that they follow the manga where things like the backstory for Ed and Al comes in much later. Though actually pretty soon.

No wonder people are complaining, they never read the manga.

>>21343706
if your referring to the part shown in op read file name

>>21344404

I've read the manga and I continue to read the manga every month. It is not particularly "good" and obviously far inferior to the anime (except in a few areas, like Hohenheim's backstory). It's much more a classic adventure shounen than the FMA anime is.

They should have just let the anime be the anime and the manga be the manga--making an extra anime just to appease butthurt manga fans does no one any good.

>>21344401
that's why the manga is bad?
if i hadn't seen the first series, i would have dropped this already because its not entertaining.

>>21344449
What's the point of basing something off source material then changing the majority of what happens?

>>21344475
HURRRRRR LET'S EXPLAIN THE ENTIRE BACK STORY OF EVERY CHARACTER AS SOON AS THEY APPEAR

>>21344509
nope, but give them character and a reason for their existence

>>21344449
This.

I've ALSO read the manga, and it's "good". But original Fullmetal anime was fucking awesome. Yes, there were mistakes made, and yes the ending is weird (albiet true to the characters).

But people here have pointed out some of the major manga flaws >>21344130 that were thankfully left out of the anime... and the anime had GREAT pacing. It was both "grimdark" and hilarious all at once. I rewatched Shamballa recently and it's still a fucking great time... even with all the Pre WWII insanity.

I think FMAB is just a setup for failure. There's no creative pulse or driving direction... I don't feel like we're rocketing forward, I feel like we're being dragged. And don't tell me this is because I "already know what happened". Yes. I already knew what happened when I watched the first anime, and it was still fucking marvelous.

I don't get it. I think the manga is better than the anime, and I read the manga after I saw the anime.

>>21344531
How is brotherhood possibly dragging?

The openning is shit. Yui is the shittest shit from all Japanese pop singers.
The ED is ok, just ok.

I read the manga, it's ok, not big deal, but it's ok. This anime is like Death Note anime, not necessary, only to bring lots of money e some shit ass otaku claiming thats the best anime in the whole world.

Anime scenario died long time ago. Today we just got some moeshit to sell fap-dolls and bleach-thing with a sucked and wraped background history from all others past shounen action.

>>21344394
No.

Here's why:
Bones already animated this stuff. Common sense dictates that they aren't going to blow the budget on stuff they already animated. Judge the two narratives when the story of this FMA splits from the old one. When the pacing becomes normal, when the fights become more fluid, when the story actually becomes something that hasn't been animated before.

>>21344485

Because sometimes the source material is shit and "what happens" can be improved. This I think is what manga fans really don't understand--they know what happened in the anime was better, but since its not in the manga they think they shouldn't like it for some reason.

The result is FMA: Brotherhood. Sad.

>>21344449
See, that's where I disagree. The first anime was boring and unnecessarily moody. I especially didn't care for their Wrath or Envy being Hoenheim's kid or Ed's mom coming back as Sloth.

In fact short of the fillers surrounding Mustang and co. I greatly prefer the manga.

However you should stop thinking that FMA was ever anything more than a shounen adventure series. Your series isn't any deeper or complex, it's needlessly dramatic and isn't very enjoyable.

Most importantly though, LOLOPINIONSMINEISBETTERTHANYOURS. What the fuck man? Chill. If you don't like the series, that's fine, drop it. Just stop telling me that the first anime was infinitely superior in every conceivable way because honestly I didn't like the first one very much.

>>21344568
But what happened in the first anime WASN'T better, it consisted of massive filler and shit, it should have stopped when it ran out of material not made up bullshit.

People whine about shit generic shonen shows like Naruto, Bleach and Onepiece being in filler hell but FMA was in the exact same situation but somehow it's ok.

>>21344593
>original content
>filler
ok..

>>21344621
Filler is original content.

SUP YOU LITTLE BITCHES MY ANIME IS SUPERIOR AND GRIMDARK AND TOTALLY REALISTIC

OUR CHARACTERS ARE DEEP AND FUCK YOUR SHITTY HUMOR THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS SHOW

>>21344254

Except anyone who isn't a complete emo likes one peice humor

>>21344593

Because even the FMA anime filler was an improvement over the FMA manga. This is not true of Naruto filler or Bleach filler. "Filler" itself is not inherently bad, nor is "making up shit". The author of the manga is also "making up shit", and it just so happens the anime writers happened to be better at it than her. This is why the FMA anime gets away with so much.

>>21344621

Yup

>Spending 3+ episodes on content a that was in one chapter.

>>21344621

All filler is OC

Fullmetal HNNNNNNNGGGGGG

>>21344568
You assume it was "improved". What happened in the first anime wasn't better. It wasn't consistent getting the message across to the viewers. Instead it aimed at getting an emotional response. This is a classic case of horrible writing.

The manga is more concise. Because of this, it is objectively better than the first anime.

>>21344682
what does the fact that it was only one chapter in the manga have anything to do with how long it should be in an adaptation?

>>21344716
1 Chapter which is roughly 30 pages should not equal 2 or more episodes, that is terribly bad pacing.

i think brotherhood is better than the first anime even tough...
it has a better atmosphere and i think its better drawn

>>21344759
once again, why is this bad pacing if it conveys the content well?

>>21344568

Yeah?

Now explain series like Hellsing, Kenshin, shit almost any Anime based off a Manga really.

They change the most pointless stuff and almost always for the worst. There's maybe a handful of series where I consider the Anime even on par with the Manga.

>>21344705

The manga also seems to be aiming for a particular emotional response: crushing disappointment.

The shounen shit "hope" message is pretty loud and clear, but uh--that hardly makes it a better story. Naruto is also pretty good at that type of shit.

>>21344795

Not the guy you were talking to but; Because it's like DBZ, or Azumanga Dioh where you take something that had enough content to fill a few pages and stretch it to fill almost an hour.

You seriously see no problem with this?

>>21344813

See, "almost always" for the worst. FMA anime is not one of those cases. It was for the (much much much) better, and you need to learn to judge that objectively without the knee-jerk mangafag "manga is always better, just look at my narutos~" response.

>>21344824
Yeah, uh, you suck at forming arguments. Go be fallacious somewhere else little kid.

>>21344842
you keep missing the point. If its done well then it will not seem like its being 'stretched'

>>21344651

W40k is the basis for GRIMNDARK (in b4 Berserk) and is to a fa/tg/uy like myself, also incredibly awesome.

Archer was like this. Especially when Riza shot him. First anime was incredible (there, outside opinion). I haven't read the manga, so I'm giving Brotherhood a shot, but its really obvious that the animation and direction are far inferior. There are no excuses for that.

>>21344861
It's not kneejerk. The manga is objectively better. The first anime was a trainwreck with sloppy writing. This is fact. You have horrible taste if you think otherwise.

Original series was just fine until lol Hitler

don't know why I spoiler tag a much discussed years old plot point

>>21344842

Azumanga Daioh actually came out a lot better as an anime than as a manga because of this. Some jokes and stories work better when they are fleshed out.

"Stretching out" is not objectively bad.

>>21344913

That's only in the movie, which is about equal to the manga in terms of quality.

they rush what was seen in the first season
ok
they stay true to manga
ok
is it working, fuck no. it sucks donkey balls.

>>21344891
It does not convey the content well. What are you, blind?

It stuck in a bunch of fluff that added nothing to the story. It was just a fucking mess. A good story is not a mechanism with a bunch of useless shit added onto it for the sake of giving off some sick form of entertainment to idiots who can't see how horrible the writing is. In a good story, all the parts are relevant and work together fluidly.

The first series was pretty average (didnt wath more than 15 eps), im liking the new one a lot better so far.

>>21344896

Re-read the post of the guy I was replying to--the reason why the FMA manga is better is because the Hellsing and Naruto mangas were better.

If you can actually think of a few redeeming qualities of the manga (I mentioned Hohenheim's backstory--some of the Ishval war is pretty good too) and want to pretend it is better, that is fine, but the manga has to stand on its own two feet--you cant just say "Bleach manga is better!" to prove anything about the FMA manga.

>>21344916
It is objectively bad in FMA's case. Because they did it wrong. There you go.

>>21344971
>implying that the fma manga has a great story with excellent writing behind it

>>21344892
I like the animation more so far short of the QUALITY goin' on with Ed's arm.

As to the direction, there's not much I can say there. They're quickly going through the story to set up for where the anime split off from the manga, but I suppose this isn't what you're looking for. I will award points there.

I like WH40k, but mostly just the orks and the 'nids. Don't really care for the other armies.

Look straight at this picture and tell me again that the manga is not objectively total fucking shit.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

>>21344916
What? The anime was alright but a lot of people think it suffered because most of the jokes were little 4koma that got dragged on too long in the anime.

>>21344985
I don't need to re-read anything. The first FMA manga is not concise. It is full of unnecessary fluff and it guns for an emotional response rather than thematic meaning. It is an all around bad narrative. A trainwreck.

The manga is more concise. It is expressed more creatively. It doesn't ever lose sight of its own theme in order to try to make the viewer cry. Even the Nina scene was there for an explicit purpose and not dragged out into some overly dramatic and horribly done scene like in the first anime. The manga is objectively better and you have no taste if you think otherwise.

>>21345043
You're right. You're so right. Let me try that too.

Look straight at this picture and tell me again that the first anime is not objectively total fucking shit.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

>>21345012
Never said that you fallacious little fuck. I said it was better than the first anime's storyline. Which it is. This is a fact.

>>21344892

Yeah, except that the first FMA wasn't GRIMDARK so much as CRY CRY I WISH I WAS HUMAN or HEY LETS BRING BACK ED'S MOM, THAT'S A GREAT VILLAIN IDEA.

I laughed out loud when they tried to make me feel sorry for the Homonculi.

>>21345043
>>21345110
Are we in agreement that they are both objectively total fucking shit?

We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

>>21345043
>>21345110

loli > shota

>>21345110

You fail, because even anime Wrath (as depicted by sweetlittlekitty) is >>>>>>>> Mei Chan. Sorry, don't hate me for speaking the truth.

>>21345136
>opinion
>fact
you're good at this. keep throwing that word 'fallacious' around. it makes your arguments better.

>I don't need to re-read anything. The first FMA anime is not concise. It is full of unnecessary fluff and it guns for an emotional response rather than thematic meaning. It is an all around bad narrative. A trainwreck.

Okay there...Fixed

>>21345182

Mei-Chan isn't a primary character; she barely does anything.

Anime Annoying-Kid Wrath was shoved in our faces as a major antagonist and wouldn't go away.

>>21345110
Worst character ever.

>>21345147

You weren't supposed to feel sorry for the Homunculi, the Homunculi just became real characters instead of cheap minions that you can already find in every stupid shounen manga.

Ed's mom makes a way better villain than--whatever the hell manga Sloth is all about. The only homunculus done better in the manga than in the anime is Pride, but that isn't saying much.

>>21345198
Dumb it all down to opinions if you want, dumbass little kid.

Your fallacy was the strawman argument. A very common one among retards like you who inhabit my /a/.

Not everything is opinions in this world, child. It may frighten you to hear this, but some stories are objectively worse than others regardless of your opinion on them.

>>21345222

If you had actually read the manga instead of just trolling an opinion that you know is wrong, you would know she is single-handedly responsible for the whole stupid Envy subplot.

"Roy--I can't allow you to kill that Homunculus--you only want to kill for revenge!"

"Oh you humans--I am so jealous of your ability to persevere~"

Mei Chan is the worst.

>>21345319
ok, then tell me in your best ad hominem what makes the manga story objectively so much better than the first anime.

>>21345296
Another classic case of the first FMA anime being overly dramatic to appease morons who will lap it all up regardless of how shitty and unnecessary the plot element they decided to shove into the story is. And what the fuck was the point of Sloth being Ed's mom? More overly dramatic bullshit to fool people into thinking it was decent. You have horrible taste.

>>21345343

-It came first.
-???
-Hitler is in the anime
-Those wacky ninjas are in the manga! LOL! And Yoki! lololololol.
-Derp hurf durf, objectively better.

>>21345343
There was no ad hominem, faggot. Learn what an ad hominem is. I have an argument and I am insulting you for being a moron. An ad hominem is insulting you for being a moron in place of an argument. That's not what I'm doing. Fucking moron.

>>21345296

There's no reason for Lust to suddenly, in terms of script, have a complete 180 and help Edward if the audience isn't supposed to somehow feel sorry for her.

All the Homonculi ended up like that. Each one goes from GRRRR KILL HUMANS to GOSH I SURE WISH SOMEBODY WOULD PITY ME.

This happens with fucking Lust, Wrath, Gluttony, Sloth, and Envy, but you want to complain about the manga counterparts being "LOL ALL THE SAME SHIT"? Hahahaha, oh wow.

>>21345368

It means Ed has to let go of his mom and confront his Oedipal complex.

What the fuck is the point of making manga sloth a giant stupid guy who no one gives a shit about? Hmmm....

>>21345373
>>21345413
LOL'd

>>21345373
Another strawman. Go read the arguments in this thread for fuck's sake. Stop turning a blind eye to people who are actually forming arguments that overrule your shitty strawmen fallacy that you brandish because you are too simpleminded to come up with any valid points.

>>21345416

Because he has MANLY FIGHT with Armstrong and beats the fuck out of people with flying head butts and handcuff chains.

Infinitely better than GOOPY-DROOPY MOM CORPSE that gets EVAPORATED.

>>21345415

Scar does the same thing in both anime and manga, are we supposed to feel sorry for him? For Yoki? For Ling? For Greed?

Hell no, helping the protagonists does not mean that we need to feel sorry for them. It means they have motivations beyond the "oo~I'm a scary minion~" shit that mangafags seem to lap up.

I facepalmed so hard at this.

>>21345468

Manga sloth is better than anime sloth because he can do a headbutt and swing a chain around. You sure convinced me, I have seen the manga in a new light. If only the world could also appreciate the true genius and amount of thought that went into manga sloth.

NEW FMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FIRST SERIES

Because we're skipping through unnecessary shit we already saw.
How is that hard to understand?
Don't start judging the series until it gets to the point the first series veered off.

>>21345470

None of those characters slaughtered people and had evil intentions to the point of Lust or the homonculi, all of who just kill and do evil shit because they want to be bad meanie faces.

All the people you mentioned, including Greed, attacked Ed & Co. for the sake of having a SHOUNEN FIGHT but later reconciled. Scar attacked him because he thinks he's doing the right thing.

Anime Lust goes from manga personality, which is KILL ALL HUMANS BZZZZZT, straight into FUCK I MISS MY BOYFRIEND. Sure is 180 degree turn.

Don't even try to compare "Obvious Adversary-Into-Ally" archetypes with "OBVIOUSLY FUCKING EVIL MONSTER ANTAGONIST" that just takes a nosedive to pull a few heart strings.

>>21345416
Ed has no oedipal complex. Where the fuck did that come from? Face it, it was there for nothing more than cheap dramatic effect.

Sloth in the manga has a purpose in the narrative. He is a device used to move the story along. His character doesn't overstep its purpose and become some tool to make the viewers feel sad. He is a big dumb guy because HURRF DURRF HOW DO I CHARACTERIZE THE TRAIT SLOTH?

>>21345520
The argument isn't that the manga is genius. It isn't. The argument is that the first anime is worse than the manga.

But I should only expect more fallacies from you.

>>21343492
Everyone has watched FMA. Even people who have never seen anime.

>>21345538
why not simply pick a point to start it after it diverges from the plotline of the original anime series?
you don't seem to understand that a remake is also a complete product, therefore every aspect of it can be judged. as it stands right now, the beginning of the new anime series sucks.

>>21345598
I haven't.

>>21345548
How do you characterize sloth?

with a water woman that's ed's mom of course.

>>21345621
>why not simply pick a point to start it after it diverges from the plotline of the original anime series?
To not alienate new audiences? They aren't catering to people who have already read the manga. They are trying to rope in as wide an audience as possible.

And I agree. The beginning to the new series sucks, but the beginning to the old series is worse.

FUCK YOU, BONES.

>>21345638

I had a bottle of Sloth that evaporated when I left it in the car.

>>21345638
Makes perfect sense!

>>21345671
i'm sure they could start it from there without alienating a new audience if they really tried.

The manga is way darker than the first anime series, the first anime series is like bad fanfiction.

>>21345548

Ed and Al both have pretty blatant Oedipal complexes, they are way over attached to a woman who died ages ago. They need to kill her in order to move on.

>>21345714
I agree, just had to fix it a bit though.
>the first anime series IS bad fanfiction.

>>21345671

Mangafags can't have it both ways...

Either "they've animated it all before and they don't want to waste time/effort on doing the same thing twice, just you wait until we get to the wacky ninjas then things will really pick up!"
or
"They want to rope in as large an audience as possible".

If they really cared about a large audience, they would make the intro episodes good. They don't really give a shit, they are only making this for the mangafags who will lap up anything anyway. No one else likes Brotherhood.

>>21345715
Ah. Another unnecessary anime plot strand with no purpose other than to try to make the viewer feel emotional. I rest my case.

>>21345714
see
>>21345043
but this time tell me the manga is way better than the first series and the anime is bad fanfiction.

I am shocked at how easily /a/ lies through its teeth to defend such a crap manga.

From a storyline standpoint, Brotherhood's is currently infinitely better as it's actually moving the plot along and doesn't waste its time on badly written filler content that has little to no relevance to the actual plotline. Fuck, do you dumbasses really want to spend half the entire season with Majihal and his shitty friends again?

Not to mention that the characterization's been improved. Even if we don't know much about their history as of yet, Ed and Al are still much more interesting than their original anime counterparts, who were just generic shounen molds with personalities that were twisted every time the writer wanted to get the current story plot's "meaningful" message across.

Once brotherhood is done I will watch the older FMA, which I have yet to watch..

I will report to /a/ with my findings.

>>21345703
Why risk it? Animation is a business.

A lot of people liked the first half of the first anime because it combined a ton of heavy emotional scenes (bones' influence) with a plot that didn't have a billion holes in it yet (arakawa's influence). The second half made little to no sense but appealed to the people who just wanted the angsty super-emotional stuff from the first half without any sort of coherent plot (What happens when Bones tries to make up the plot rather than add random BAW moments to it).

So people watching the first half of the second anime think it is inferior because they like overdone heavy emotional moments rather than a well-done plot.

>>21345874 see >>21345777
there would have been no risk

>>21345891
ok well, 7 episodes in the plot is exactly the same and everything else is worse.

>>21345811
I just fucking explained to you why the first anime is horrible and why the manga is better. Stop ignoring arguments. Read the fucking thread. I completely kicked your ass. I'm starting to think you are a girl, because you certainly argue like one. And only a girl would defend the overly dramatic trainwreck that was the first anime.

Fuck! You ARE a girl. Fucking slut.

>>21343468
/thread.
Also lol Nazs! Fuck the original.

>>21345930

I get the feeling that you are a baby, because only a baby would try to defend the childish FMA manga and then throw a tantrum when everyone ignores his shitty arguments. Fucking toddler.

>>21343626
You're right. 7 episodes in and FMA: Brotherhood is already superior to the first in just about every way. Now just wait until Olivier Armstrong shows up!

>>21345777
I guarantee you that this anime is not aimed towards people who have read the manga. You don't seem to realize how it works. The manga audience is fucking small as hell and not worth catering to. They are aiming for fans of the series and new fans. Whether any of those people have read the manga or not is inconsequential. God damn. You are so retarded that I might have an aneurysm.

>>21345715
Can you blame them? I'd fuck their mom and kill their dad too!

let's please stop falling for obvious trolls.

the fma manga is fucking great.

>>21343699
>bawwwww my opinion is better than your opinion!

>>21345997
lol equating weaboo demographics to the japanese audience

>>21345977
Typical girl argument. Ad hominem bullshit. Ignores all points. When completely refuted all you can do is hurl insults. Argument ended here >>21345790. You might as well leave the thread. I win.

Enjoy having bad taste while you're at it.

>>21345930

If you post as "anonymous" no one can tell what arguments are yours.

But most of the pro-manga arguments have already been addressed. Filler isn't necessarily bad, the characters are better developed in the anime and the fights are there to develop the characters, enemies helping protagonists doesn't mean you are supposed to feel sorry for the enemies, etc. Anyone who is defending the manga at this point is a troll.

>>21346043
>fights are there to develop the characters
go back to your naruto.

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>>21345790

See, I thought that was a troll comment, because no one could be more blatantly stupid.

Killing the corpse of his mother, the desire for which is what brought him into the mess in the first place, serves as something called "character development" for Edward.

Killing manga sloth, on the other hand, develops no ones character and is only there to take up space, like any other shounen fight scene in any shounen manga.

There is no comparison.

>>21343904
To add to it
Have fun watching Lust turn from a badass villain to whiny emo slut
Have fun having Envy being ed and Al's long lost brother
Have fun watching them somehow end up in pre WWII England and unable to use alchemy, and lol Nazi's and Envy is a Dragon with daddy issues, and Bradley being Frizt Lang and all the other random stupidity. Watching the first series only serve to make me appreciate the manga that much more.

>>21346028
I am actually talking about the Japanese audience. Do you seriously believe that Japan is a magical land where everybody reads manga? Fuck that. I'll bet my right arm that the manga has a more fanatical following in the US than in Japan. The target audience in Japan, the one I've been talking about this whole fucking time, is not manga readers. Seriously, if you think this then natural selection needs to have a word with you.

The target audience is whoever watches TV at that timeslot. You're an absolute fucking idiot if you think this anime is intended for people who have read the manga. It's to cash in on the success of the old anime and rope in a new audience. Nobody cares about the manga audience. This is why fillers in long running shonen anime exist. They are aiming for an entirely different audience. One who won't care about fillers.

>>21344098
>Thats why FMA anime, even in the beginning, was better liked than Brotherhood ever will be.
By you maybe. Stop trying to speak for everyone. Also who gives a flying fuck about Rose? She is an unimportant character, DEAL WITH IT.

>>21346117

Have fun reading Lust die almost instantly with no character development to speak of and never showing up again.
Have fun reading Envy be an emo embryo jealous of humans for their perseverance and friendship and whatever the fuck.
Have fun reading them all end up in Xing learning the "healing arts~" with all their new ninja friends because thats whats going to happen.

The manga is a trainwreck and should have ended ages ago.

>>21346145

Manga is more popular and more acceptable in Japan than anime is.

>>21344236
That is exactly what they are saying, which is why i don't take anything they say serious. If you just want the first one over again just go back and watch it instead of bawwwwing because there are no Nazs and WWII in this anime.

>>21346182

In the anime she is an important character, and the anime is the series that actually ended up turning out better than the manga, so maybe Brotherhood should take a leaf or two out of its book?

TBH, I'd rather have Rose than Yoki. Goddamn, I hope Brotherhood cuts out Yoki...it looks that way so far at least.

>>21346095
No, you fucking idiot.

Ed and Al have realized their fucking mistake in the manga. The story begins. It's clear. It's concise. It makes sense.

The anime puts some fucking doubt into their minds. It makes them weaker for the sake of having the viewers sympathize with them. This is shitty meaningless anime character development. It has no purpose in the story. It doesn't move the story along at all. It is there for dramatic effect. Same goes for the Nina scene when Ed actually contemplates trying to bring her back. It pisses on one of the main themes of the series: redemption. There is no thematic fluidity in Ed almost repeating a mistake he once made that got him into the mess he is in in the first place. There is no thematic fluidity in Ed not realizing after he burns down his fucking house that he is leaving his old life behind. There is no further 'letting go of the past' development needed after he burns down his house. He knows is mother is dead and gone. all he can do is walk forward on his own two feet. If the first anime sprung some Oedipus complex bullshit on us, it completely ruins that aspect of Ed's character just for some dramatic bullshit to appease idiots like you who actually think it's good writing.

>>21345930

How many lolis do you fap to, on average, per night?

>>21346187

>Have fun reading Lust die almost instantly with no character development to speak of and never showing up again.
She didn't need any, she served her purpose
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>Have fun reading Envy be an emo embryo jealous of humans for their perseverance and friendship and whatever the fuck.
I liked that a hell of a lot better than "bawwwwwww" daddy didn't love me!" "bawwwwww daddy didn't give me enough attention!" "bawwwww daddy likes Ed better!" Manga Envy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anime whiny bitch Envy
>Have fun reading them all end up in Xing learning the "healing arts~" with all their new ninja friends because thats whats going to happen.
Better than them ending up in WW2 Europe and being unable to use alchemy dispite that being the shows hook.
Sorry kid the Manga is just better than the first series in just about every way.

>>21346206
Manga audience =/= TV audience.

And you're forgetting that FMA is for kids. Cartoons are perfectly acceptable for kids. Don't be a moron.

>>21346252

In order for a story to be good, there has to be inner conflict also, otherwise Edward might as well be Naruto or Ichigo or any other generic protagonist. His own conflict is what sets him apart from Al or Scar and is what makes him a three dimensional character.

>>21346256
Depends. Four yesterday, but probably maybe only two today since I exhausted my nutbladder from overuse.

>>21346233
Rose's "character development" kicked ass didn't it? She gets raped by soldiers has a baby and for some reason is made a figure head ahem "holy mother" in some fucking uprising. Ugh!

ITT I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG!
I enjoy fullmetal alchemist. I can say that I like the characters for what they are and it has a story that is fun to watch/read. I first fell in love with the 1st series and started to read the manga after that, which is how I find myself watching brotherhood now. I enjoy them all. I can also say there are some things the 1st series does better while saying there are also things the manga/brotherhood do better. I have fun with a series I love, it feels pretty good :)

>>21346252
anonymous is no less an idiot than you are.
>letting go of the past
ok, let's forget the past, and concentrate on getting our old bodies back.

>>21346324

The manga doesn't have to be consistent, because it came first.

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>>21343905
>Think they cut the whole Big O water city hospital nurse thief episode as well.
Oh yeah that was the " hey lets completely rip off Shadow Lady" episode. The only thing that episode did was make me wonder why there is no anime based on Shadow Lady.

Manga Al > Brotherhood Al >>>>>>>>>> First series Al

This is fact.

>>21346306
No there doesn't. There needs to be conflict. Whether it is inner or not is irrelevant. You don't know what you are talking about. Your own point just shat in your face. Ichigo and Naruto both have inner conflicts. Does that make them good characters? No.

But I will tell you that Ed does have an inner conflict. So does Alphonse and Scar. It's not some shitty one intended for dramatic effect that only a retard like you would consider good characterization. It makes sense within the context of the story. He wants to correct his mistake. Redeem himself. That is his inner conflict.

Having some Oedipus complex only obscures the fucking point of the show for dramatic effect. It is unnecessary. It has no place within the context of the story. That is bad writing. You have horrible taste if you think it is good writing.

>>21346282

>She didn't need any, she served her purpose

Yea, and it sucked. Emo Lust also served her purpose and it actually was a purpose that brought the anime to a conclusion and made her an interesting character in the process.

>I liked that a hell of a lot better than "bawwwwwww" daddy didn't love me!"

Anime envy never bawwwws. He brings it up once at the end but he still doesn't baw about it. Manga envy actually does baw on more than one occasion for stupid ass reasons.

>Better than them ending up in WW2 Europe and being unable to use alchemy dispite that being the shows hook.

I don't consider the movie really part of the anime in terms of quality--but no. WWII Europe is better than lol wacky ninjas. Always.