well i can afford the DVDs but. i am not willing to be raped on DVD prices. if they would have acceptable prices then yes

How much effort are we talking about "Rumbel" effort or "A.F.K." effort?

But money IS an issue.

>>21314454
They wouldn't be sky fucking high if people actually bought DVD's

because I don't want to buy

I buy what I can (and like) anyways. The issue is that official shit are slow to come over, shit translations (not only accuracy, but also the phrasing), and some don't even find their way over here.

>>21314436
>ugly-ass yellow font

I'd rather have this readable font than the lolSORANDUMxD beige fonts that are impossible to read unless the background is completely black.

>>21314469
that is a lie and you know it

>>21314462
The best that you can think of.

I buy the DVDs in those cases where they eventually (often years after the fact) come out with English subs; but I never bother opening the boxes if I already have fansubs archived and available for rewatch without all that DVD preamble and menu crap.

>>21314480
That's why everyone should use softsubs. YEAH, THAT INCLUDES KARAOKE.

>>21314486
Alright Crunchyroll then.

This is eiher very bad copypasta or very bad troll or both.
1. Those ugly yellow subtitles are from cheap DVD players and can change based on said player.
2. Money is always issue.

I would BUY and DOWNLOAD originals if :
1. they were max. week after original airing.
2. High-quality in video(HD), audio(5.1) and subtitiles(correct ones with styling).
3. No DRM.
4. cheap, something along lines of 2-5$ per episode.
5. no more than 35$ for 24 episode series

Only with this they would be able to opose fansubs.

>>21314518
>1. Those ugly yellow subtitles are from cheap DVD players and can change based on said player.
lol no. DVD subtitles are pictures.

>>21314495
Hardsubbed karaoke is better, softsubs always tend to fuck them up, especially with the kanji on the side.

>>21314518
4. cheap, something along lines of 2-5$ per episode.
5. no more than 35$ for 24 episode series
math wasn't your strongest point
but 2*24 = 48$ for 24 episodes would be acceptable

>>21314536
You are not getting my point. If they are softsubbed, then you can turn them off. Get rid of them. Finally.

>>21314527
this aint 1998 anymore, bro

>>21314518
No they aren't.

Subtitles on DVD's are IMAGE FILES you IDIOT!!!

>>21314565
That doesn't change the fact that DVDs handles subtitles as an image layer. There's a reason subtitles are ripped with text recognition programs.

>>21314538
Well I was thinking this: When you watch show that is currently airing you only pay one episode per week per show so the price is pretty low even if the sum of everything is high(eg. loans).
But when you buy everything at once you need to pay everything at once and lot of people will think twice before buying for high price. So you make whole set much cheaper so more people are willing to buy it.

I don't collect stuff, dvd's or volumes of manga because they take up too much space, and after watching a series I delete the episode/volume 80% of the time.

If they made something like, give us 1$-2$ and download an episode of the series you like or give us 3-6$ and download a volume of the manga you want. I'd probably buy most of the stuff I watch.

>>21314565

dude, he's right, stfu if you dont know what you're talking about

Why distribute as DVD's?

They should be good enough to get a licence to recieve the episodes from the anime studios and do their own encode, not to mpeg2 for broadcast but to h264, and then offer them with perfect subs no later than 3 days (plenty of time considering they would have professional staff and only cover a small handful of episodes a season).

Offer them for download at like $5 an episode or something.

And then when the DVDs/BluRay comes out, they need to get the new raws from the studios again and do a h264 PC encode (not the crappy BluRay encode that often uses interlacing, isn't true 1920x1080, doesn't use cabac, etc).

And offer those downloads for like $3 an episode only in one big bundle like the other anon reasoned.

Anything less is fucking stupid.

I'd watch official if they were aired on US cable TV around the same time the Japanese versions are.

>>21314706
or that

>>21314706
Not if you either
Don't live in the US (like 95% of people)
Don't have cable TV

>>21314706
wont work. because they would only air manly animes like one piece, naruto, dragonballs, inuyasha or sailor moon and you surely don't watch them, do you?

>>21314538
Decent price, in Australia we have Madman entertainment the ass-holes sell 10 year old anime for $100 AUS. Which is around $4 AUS for an ep.

>>21314480
Eclipse do a good job. I tend to watch fansubs, buy it anyway to support the guys.

>>21314518
>1. Those ugly yellow subtitles are from cheap DVD players and can change based on said player.

Except no, DVDs use VobSubs, which consist of 4-color bitmaps, out of which one color is transparent, meaning that you can use a maximum of three colors on DVD subtitles.

>>21314536
Solution: Don't fucking add kanji, it's completely useless anyway.

>>21314795
Dude, I got big o for around 2 bucks per ep. Expensive, but still.

I only buy shit I can't be bothered downloading/or is worth keeping as an alternative to fansubs.

>>21314538
So I take it you've never seen one of those deals where you pay less when you buy a bunch of stuff all at once?

>>21315692
>Daiz !H.264BdrFs
Go back to sucking VLC's cock.

I'd never buy DVDs of anything, ever.
I already buy merchandising.

STOP HARDSUBING KARAOKE YOU FAGS

>>21315731
>Daiz
>VLC

You have the wrong person in mind...

>Would you watch official subtitles if they put in as much effort as good fansubs?
2/10

No, never. I hope the industry outside Japan dies.

>like to use
Its not a choice bro.

Most anime DVD contain only 3 episodes and it cost $30-$40 for 60 minutes of badly subtitled and extremely badly dubbed anime?

no thx!

>>21315888

Aaaaand here's the first retarded sarcastic reply about the quality of fansubs. Inb4 that retarded comic involving ice cream and shit.

And yes I like FREE fansubtitles thank you very much, ungrateful brats.

>Would you watch official subtitles if they put in as much effort as good fansubs?

No I would not.

>>21315917
fansubs
superior

>>21314436

Don' t

>>21315956

Agreed, free fansubs rock

>>21315928
Be grateful you're not living in Japan and paying $120 for 60 minutes of extremely badly voiced anime.

>>21314469
that's not how economy works bro

>>21314436
I do download and watch DVD rips. I just have no need of DRM or physical media.

sure is old pasta in here

>>21316016
Because people in japan don't pirate anime with 1000mbit connections.

Right?
Right?

DVD subs have better English grammar and flow about 10 times better.
How they look is irrelevant.
Also we don't have triple karaoke bullshit for insert songs and other weeaboo shit.

>>21316074

>Implying pretty karaoke subs are shit

>>21316074
wrong. Best of the fansubs have a far better quality than even the best of official subs - amateurs that do it for free can easily spend a week trying to find the best translation for a phrase; professionals that are getting paid per episode have to do it quickly and go for the "just good enough" approach - they need to feed their family and they cannot waste their time to research some obscure historical or cultural reference...

>>21316107
>implying that they're not

>>21316133

>Implying they are

>>21315947
>>21315917

lol

But no, I wouldn't buy anything, because I have to spend the money on other things. Why would I pay for something I can get for free? Same goes for videogames and books.

>>21316158
>implying that they're not

Anyone wanting a fansub is a fucking faggot.

>>21316107
Karaoke are always shit. No exceptions.

I want to look at the anime, not at flashy text animations.

Who actually likes the karaoke? Is there really demand for this shit? What about the kanji?

I would torrent them anyway, all my DVD drives are broken.

>>21316131
>amateurs that do it for free can easily spend a week trying to find the best translation for a phrase
except they don't do that, most shows have subs a few days after the raws are out before the next episode.

>>21316177

Anyone wanting to pay for something they can get for free is a fucking faggot.

>>21316232
You are the cancer killing the state of fansubs.

I hope you leave the anime fandom, you faggot.

Karaoke faggots: If you dont like karaoke just skip the OP or ED. You skip it either way. Any in-video karaoke is not that common to complain about.

>People who think it's bad to enjoy delicious free fansubbed anime

Karaoke should not be added. It is shit

@ The anon who wanted to know who actually likes karaoke subs: retards do. And since the vast majority of anime fans love things such as Naruto, that makes the vast majority of fans love karoke effects.

>>21316131
It's really nice that you have the self confidence to talk about shit you know nothing about. It's important to feel good about yourself, you know?

>>21316245
>Any in-video karaoke is not that common to complain about.
I remember that ruining some awesome scenes...

So, fansub haters, you don't like fansubbers and the people who support. What will you do? Whine about it on 4chan?

>>21316271
>bawwww they don't like my karaoke

>>21316245
>defending hard karaoke
what kinda faggot are you?

It ruined Do You Remember Love and Gunbuster.Some of us do in fact watch the OP every time. There is no fucking need for them.

pic oddly related

Anime is for faggots

>>21316327
what?

was there karaoke in diebuster? or is that just fanart or something

>Hardsubbed Karaoke
>OK

>>21316347
gunbuster 1.

>>21316327
Agreed

Oh yeah, this is the most cancerous Karaoke I ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBWCxrsUh14

>>21316245
When some of us want to watch a show, we sometimes want to watch the entire show and not have to skip things because some asshole thinks it shouldn't be a television show but Japanese lessons for weaboos instead.

fuck karaoke in general

>>21316263
Oh, and what have you translated?

Hardsubbed karaoke for OP/EDs is cancer.
Softsubbed karaoke for OP/ED = doesn't matter, I just press "s" in MPC while the OP/ED is running if I don't skip it.

HOWEVER. For insert songs? That's so fucking annoying it makes me want to claw my eyes out.
Totally ruins whatever scene has the insert song when I have to see 3 lines of extra text just cause some fat fuck wants to sing while watching.
WHO THE FUCK EVEN DOES THAT?

>>21314490
Exactly, I do buy the series that I really like, but I rarely open them. Far too many times I've been let down by ugly fonts, but much worse are the lousy subs themselves, no skill, no heart, no passion, just a job house sub shopped out to some cretin company barking for a paycheck with no clue what a screen play is. Same for most, though not all, dubs.

Sometimes I'll rip the subs out of my favorite fansubs to use with my DVDs.

>>21316307

My point exactly. Enjoy baaawwwing about hardsubbed karaoke while I be enjoying it.

>>21316550
>HOWEVER. For insert songs? That's so fucking annoying it makes me want to claw my eyes out.
Even if it's still softsubbed?

>>21316199
Since 95% of the staff in fansub groups can't speak Japanese at all and must rely on passing-by Chinese guys, the flashiness of the karaoke is the only way to judge the quality of rival groups, since they can't be sure whether the other guys are more accurate than them.

>>21316567
Wait so you actually enjoy this shit. >>21316199
Are there a huge amount of retarded fucks like you that are the reason why fansubs are plague with this shit?

>>21316569
yes because then you're forced to choose between having subtitles+karaoke and trying to understand spoken japanese.

What's the goddamn point in putting the karaoke in kanji, hiragana and katakana.

Seriously, 99% of the audience barely knows romaji... So, REAL japanese?

What's the fucking point. Who the hell started that shitty trend?

>>21316569
Well, having to stop watching and remuxing the subs to remove karaoke is annoying.
If it's hardsubbed I'd have to get another raw and re-time it. I've only done that once for the Macross F BD raws.

>>21316074
VobSubs are fucking ugly. Period. ASS subtitles can look a lot, lot better, but unfortunately it is quite often ruined by absolutely atrocious styling.

>>21316569
Yeah because I want to at least understand what they say but not have fucking three lines of karaoke in the middle of a scene.

>>21316540
I mostly stick to individual pictures, flash videos, etc. because I don't have the time to sub an entire series nor the patience to put up the bullshit that is in the "fansubbing community." Just for your own information, fansubs are not as accurate the crap that gets repeated by people say they are, and certainly not the "Fansubs are better than pro releases" crap that people spout.

>>21316624
I see. That's what I did with my Candy Boy. 2 sub tracks. 1st the default track has subs with no song translation (not kara) and the second one has song translation.

anon needs to make its own fansubbing group

Any subs that make you think "oh, those look really nice" are badly styled subs.
Why? Because you're not supposed to notice them.
They should be as plain and easy to read.

>>21316631
If I recall correctly, THORA's version have softsubbed kara.

>>21316701
It was the THORA version I took the subs from.
They mix hardsubbed styled karaoke with softsubbed karaoke actually.

>>21316619

Yes, there are people in this world who enjoy things you don't enjoy. And there is nothing you can do about it.

>>21316694

Are you implying anon is not too lazy to make their own fucking subs?

>>21316694
If that happened everything would be hardsubbed just for trolling purposes.

>>21316716
well if we put our minds to it.....

>>21316701
All of THORA's releases use hardsubbed karaoke, while the actual subtitles are softsubs.

It's very annoying, given that their releases are otherwise the best for HD anime out there and usually well seeded too.

>>21316755

Try it so I can laugh at your hamfisted attempts at learning Japanese and trying to be united.

>>21316698
How can fansub groups project their brand identity if they can't catch your attention??

>>21316764
Another annoying thing about THORA is how their styling is fucking atrocious 99% of the time.

>>21316457
I have seen worse. One sub for Hokuto no Ken had the stylized karaoke romaji lyrics on the top, the translation on the bottom and behind those had gray bars in which the romaji and the english translation scrolled by in. Also whenever the line "You wa Shock" was sung, "Shock" would spin forward into the center of the screen.

/r/ing better picture of op's image

>>21316764
>>21316708

Their old releases are hardsubbed and fortunately, they're practicing softsubbed kara on their latest rips. Take ef ~a tale of melodies~ and RideBack BD, all of their kara are softsubbed.

I love the group the moment I know this.

>>21316804

>>21316804
>"You wa Shock" was sung, "Shock" would spin forward into the center of the screen.
Reminded me of AHQ's FMA OP2 where the "READY STEADY GO" filled the entire screen. Oh yeah, got youtube link on that video?

>>21316846
shit...

>>21316709
Ok, so yes there are people that enjoy this shit. right? I am asking an honest question here that people always fucking dodge. So there is a large amounts of faggots out there that enjoy this garbage karaoke crap, yes?

>>21316861
not the guy you're quoting but only a minority liked it. people like who wants to learn Japanese (people nowadays thinks fansubs are portable Japanese class lessons.)

>>21316861
Yes, but none of them are on 4chan.
Except those that watch KyoAni stuff, I guess.

>>21316861
About ~75 000 people download the latest Naruto episode by HorribleSubs.

It's pretty safe to say that there are enough retards to like karaoke too. Unfortunately quite many fansubbers seem to genuinely like effected hardsubbed karaoke too (see: Eclipse).

>>21316861

Yes, and what's your point? Just because you say hardsubbed karaoke is objectively bad it won't change the opinions of us unwashed masses.

>>21316892
Unfortunately the people who dislike karaoke are the minority, as sad as it sounds.

>>21316923
It does, dissing karaoke has gotten bigger and bigger the last few years.
Probably due to threads like these and Otaking's video, that article by Triad, etc.

So /a/, you are up against tons of people who like hardsubbed karaoke. What will you do?

>>21316965
Gather my nakama ~de arimasu

>>21316943
kinda figured that. hardsubbed kara in fansubs had been around for many years and lots of people had grown used to it. People now think that Karaoke is a fansubbing standard together with the honorifics. (which is actually retarded IMO)

>>21316923
>Yes
Thanks, I always ask the question and no ones answers. Its like fags know its retarded so they are ashamed to reply. Fucking retards I tell ya.

Karaoke is one of the oldest parts of fansubbing. If there is no karaoke it's just because a shitty group doesn't know how how to use AFX or has banned the TSer from doing so.

Usually it's butthurt encoders just trying to piss on it seeing as actual knowledge is needed to make it, unlike encoding where all you have to do is press a button.

>>21316861
OK, one honest answer. I don't mind karaoke if it does not take up a significantly larger portion of the screen than the standard subtitle lines do, and any effects are so modest that they are not constantly pulling the eye away from the rest of the picture. I don't like karaoke that is too large or overly "busy", and it doesn't bother me at all if there isn't any. Ideally I would prefer a simple translation in the same style as the normal subtitles.

Official subs are fine. They must be if increasingly all groups do now is steal them and slap them on better raws.

I can't fucking believe people say American anime is too expensive.

Glorious Nippon pays about $60 for two episodes.

America gets about 5 episodes for $20 or less even when the DVDs are brand new. It's even cheaper by the time the box sets come out.

>>21317043
I'm an encoder and my hate has nothing got with it. karaoke blocks the eye candy of the video, animation and syllable syncing is not needed because who sings in the OP and ED anyway? etc.

While fansubbers often fuck up. It's better having somebody interested translating than somebody with no interest typing away for a days pay. Stops fuck-ups where the translators keep translating phrases common to the anime differently or not to the true meaning, or mistranslates something that makes no sense for a character to have said because they haven't been following the show.

Also fansubs have competition where you can watch the best goups subs. With retail you get what you get.

Though I would love to support the anime I watch if the companies brought subbing up to the same professional standard as everything else.

>>21317076
>got to do*

>>21316965
Become a fansubber that does fully softsubbed releases, obviously.

>>21317043
>encoding
>all you have to do is press a button

damn, I wish

>>21317043
Obvious troll is obvious.

If only official subs were kawaii blue/pink like this! And the font is sugoi! "Readability" is overrated, I want Comic Sans!

>>21317087
Actually, remove "got"
"has nothing to do with it"

>>21317142
okay, my bad. ;_;

People that bitch on here will never buy anything, ever.

>>21317076
I am not an encoder and I hate karaoke for the same reason. I always try to find releases with the best video quality, and hardsubbed flashy shit covering up the actual animation is blasphemy.

There's no better way to shit all over the video stream than to plaster karaoke on it. That angers me even more than things like improper deinterlacing.

>>21314436

I stream the official fansubs of Phantom from the Funimation site... it's ad free and comes out before most of the fansubbers subtitles. Unfortunately the only problem is the site isn't fast enough to keep up with the streaming so you gotta let it load for a while before starting to watch it.

http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=video&v=1990

>>21317180
So 90 seconds of karaoke is worse than 20 minutes of shitty video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0

>>21317206
I clicked on the link hoping it would be something different.

But it wasn't. Thread ruined.

>>21317196
>official fansubs

Nice oxymoron you got there, bro.

Also, regarding the FUNimation streams, links related:
http://underwater.dbmd.org/?view=funimation-I-am-disappoint
http://underwater.dbmd.org/?view=funimation-I-am-still-disappoint

tl;dr FUNimation uses horribly inefficient codecs and has relatively huge filesizes for the quality they offer, which they could easily fix and save tons of money in bandwidth costs by doing so.

I'd buy anime if they put more than 3 episodes on a disc.

And fuck buying anime on bluray. You could fit all of both series of Code Geass on one disc and they still only give us a few episodes on there. Fuck that.

>>21317241
You ever going to get tired of writing love letters to Funimation? You're acting like a butthurt stalker.

>>21317241
They must have hired Your-Mom.

I download subs because the alternative is paying ludicrous shipping fees and waiting weeks to get hold of a dvd box set, or only watching the limited variety of anime available in my country.

Sites like funimation wont let me see what they are streaming for free since I am not in the US. Why should I support the US anime industry when they don't give a fuck about me?

If I want to support an anime I get the DVD's from japan and use a subbers ASS files.

>>21317159
sup.

>>21317270
Lol wut? FUNimation is just easy to mock. How on earth would I be "butthurt" about what they do? They give me Phantom subtitles that allows me to watch the show in awesome quality about 24 hours after airing.

>>21317081
Well the thing that stops fuck ups most of all is BEING A COMPETENT TRANSLATOR. You obviously don't know jack about language if you think something would be mistranslated just because they don't watch the show which is a bullshit argument in the first place since they watch the show to sub it!

>>21317244

Only Viz does that. Most anime DVD's have 4-5 eps per disc. Today that's not even an issue as most series coming out now are half season sets or the whole show at once for cheap rereleases.

Subtitles or not, people on a/ are mostly retarded and will find ANYTHINg to justify not buying a show they like.

>>21317280
There are legal issues when dealing with distribution, dumbshit.

Daiz go make us proper encoding for Galaxy express
funi has all 113 eps translated
raws are on net
do it

>>21317369
And those "legal issues" are caused by the fact that the industry is still hopelessly clinging to the old and outdated model of regional licensing, which is fucking stupid in the modern age where the internet has made the world global. They only have themselves to blame for it.

Only faggots torrent anime,
Streaming > Downloading,
Refrigerator.

>>21317496
you should try harder.

>>21317406
Daiz your shitty fansubs get people DMCA'd what the fuck is this about?

>>21317406

The market is cruel, but honest.

>>21317516
FUNimation teaming with BayTSP to bully leechers, which is fucking retarded considering they haven't even sent C&D to me. Solution to this is simple though, don't live in the US or alternatively XDCC.

>>21317244
>I'd buy anime if they put more than 3 episodes on a disc.

What American company does this? I would actually love it if they did, because it sucks that they use shitty bitrates of ~5mbit to cram as many episodes on the disc as possible to please tasteless retards with vision problems like you while Japan gets nice crisp 9mbit video streams.

>And fuck buying anime on bluray. You could fit all of both series of Code Geass on one disc and they still only give us a few episodes on there. Fuck that.

Wow, you're a complete and utter retard. Why the hell would they put SD shows on a blu ray disc? Obviously bluray is going to have HD video. Or are you one of those morons who thinks that HD and SD video should have the same bitrates? Because having more pixels is so great when those pixels don't actually have any extra bits to encode them.

I don't buy. The end.

If subtitling dies out, I will watch raws before buying.

>>21317516
BAWW more americunt

>>21317406
Bullshit. An American company that wants to buy the rights to distribute in the American market does so. They are not going to buy distribution rights to fucking Guatemala and it's idiotic to expect to them to. There is absolutely no good reason to force anyone to sell all their DVD distribution rights to one company for the whole world and just throwing words like "clinging to old and outdated models" does not add credibility to what you are saying.

>>21317533
Why would they C&D people when they are offering the episode for free already? That's lame.

You are just taking load off their already overloaded servers (they can't even stream the shows they offer, you have to let it finish loading before you can watch it). And also offering far better video quality so the show isn't spoiled by watching crappy video. I'd be much more likely to enjoy a show and thus consider purchasing it after watching it with decent fidelity.

I'd suggest ripping the ads they show at the start of their streams and including that in the torrent but it appears their ads are region based, since I got an ad for a Canadian ISP when I checked out their site.

>>21317680
You don't "get" business, do you? I think it would be best if you just stopped posting.

>>21317678
Buying DVD distribution rights to one country makes sense, but selling "internet distribution rights" in the same package is fucking stupid. The regional licensing model DOES NOT WORK when dealing with the internet. Period. Revenue sharing and global distribution makes a lot more sense for internet distribution, yet for some reason the industry wants to keep the model of regional licensing around even on the internet.

>>21317229
fixed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjV1BuUpts

>>21317753
>Greg Ayres' panel on fansubs and how downloading them is harmful for the anime industry.

I can tell from just the description how bullshit this is going to be.

No I don't like to fill my already little shelfspace with bulky DVDs when I can slap a couple dozen bookcases worth of DVDs onto a few harddrives.

I also live in an asian country with english as my primary language so buying local DVDs would be stupid as I can't fucking understand them.

>>21317552What American company does this? I would actually love it if they did, because it sucks that they use shitty bitrates of ~5mbit to cram as many episodes on the disc as possible to please tasteless retards with vision problems like you while Japan gets nice crisp 9mbit video streams.

This is true. 4-5 eps a disc (6 if it's an old show that's sub only) isn't going to be a problem but Funimation lately has been putting 13 eps worth of episodes on TWO discs when three-four is the norm. I've been hearing that Negima Season 2 has has some problems due to this. Companies are now forced to make their DVD releases SO compact but in the end the quality of the product suffers.

>>21317722
Seems to be working fine for Hulu & iplayer.

>>21317552
>Obviously bluray is going to have HD video.
That's bullshit. SD profits from h.264 and you could fit lots of SD material in decent bitrates on one BD.

I think the problem with traditional distribution companies is that they want to exercise monopoly rights on the licenses they own. It's really the same problem with old music labels and movie studios who are used to having a monopoly on anything they produce.

Companies have not yet adapted to the reality that illegal distribution is a legitimate competitor. They don't understand that they have to actually be competitive in the marketplace.

Offering atrocious video quality for free might seem generous to people who are used to having monopoly powers, but it is an absolute joke when their competitors are offering excellent softsubbed video for free.

Companies could easily make a lot of money if they understood the concept of being competitive. If they offered things in a higher quality than fansubbers at a reasonable price a lot of people would be willing to pay as long as it came with ease of use and fast dedicated servers so they didn't have to bother with p2p distribution. It would also be nice to have an account with your shows tied to it, so you could download it quickly in a variety of formats anywhere you are. People would not have to store files just to ensure they can still access them after the torrents have died.

Companies would also have the benefit of being "first". All things being equal I bet that a lot of people would pay for instant gratification instead of waiting for an illegal copy of the licensors shows to come up. Especially if they saw people on their favourite anime discussion sites discussing the show before illegal copies have even made their way to the regular distribution channels.

>>21317879
I still pirate...

>>21317722
Just saying something "DOES NOT WORK" doesn't make it so. It's simple. If an American company buys the rights to distribute in North America and then starts broadcasting it over the internet to where ever then they are distributing the product to places that they do not have the rights to distribute. The company that bought the rights to distribute in, let's say Germany, is not going to like the fact that some one is distributing their product in a place that the German company paid for. It's not hard to understand!