Planetes is the only hard scyfy I know of in anime. It's a shame.

But then again, who doesn't????

moonlight mile

NARUTO IN SPACE CLEANIN' SHIT UP

Cowboy Bebop

serial experiments lain and texhnolyze to an extent.

The Mealncholy of Suzumiya Haruhi.... How does no one say this...

>>20333262
Because its shit?

>>20333262
>>20333251
no godzillas allowed

>>20333124
Ghost in the Shell (and series) are pretty hard sci-fi, imo, except for the fact that the time frame of development seems a bit too early. (Its set in like the 2030's, right?).

Planetes

Gunbuster has some hard science with FTL travel but thats about it and LoGH seems to fix the bill pretty well.

>>20333251
Lain? No. Not even close to hard SF. Tekhnolyze I've never seen.

Planetes qualifies. But that's all I can think of too.

Planetes.

No, it's too hard to write and too hard to market. Read a book.

>>20333177
>scyfy
ugh

Armored Trooper Votoms

>>20333338
nice try

Apple seed
Dennou Coil

>>20333393
I confess I have no idea about hard science scifi and the site just scared and confused me.
I blame the 4am.
Is Manabi Straight Hard Science to some degree?

>>20333308

Well, there are only a few things really preventing the creation of powerful cybernetics, the biggest that comes to mind being the creation of a small, efficient type of battery or generator capable of keeping a human sized robot running for a significant period of time.

Really, we're not that far from SCIENCE! (as opposed to just science) in terms of our knowledge. Though one supposes the application is the tricky bit.

Real Drive is pretty hard. But nobody watched it.

Have to agree with Planetes.
Animation lends itself to bend a lot of nature's rules, which make it a fertile ground for running around and imagine universes where the physics have bent in such a way that explosions are heard in space and so on. It's easier, so I guess you can call it exploring the medium.

Unlike most of the written hard scifi, which is far from mainstream, anime and manga need a solid base and viewer numbers to justify it. Hence, you don't see too many series dealing with actual science.
Wish it was the other way around, but that's how things are.
You're now thinking how cool a Peter Watts' novel would be animated. Manually. Except for the fact that I seem to be the only person to have read Blindsight on this place...
Realistic vampires in space, how can you go wrong!?

>>20333474
no one wants to watch fatties go at each other. fucking disgusting

>>20333443

Pretty hard.

>>20333423
>Dennou Coil
No. Good scifi, but not hard.

mars daybreak

ignore the magic yellow tube and related shit

Armoured Trooper Bottoms.

You should really have made this thread on /m/. /a/ is more likely to give you moe in space.

offhand all i can think of is manga 2001 nights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Nights

>>20333443
Didn't really play a huge part. The hoverboard kind of rules it out too. I doubt that's what the OP is looking for, anyway.

Patlabor, there happens to be a thread

>>20333348
Lain is what I thought a Greg Egan anime would be like. Well, if it didn't drag on for far too long.

Fuck. Now I want to see Permutation City made into an anime.

Wings of Holonaiise/Holonase?

Something like that, great movie about a guy going into space
good luck finding it, spent ten minutes trying to find anything on it. Made in the 80's

>>20333499
Becuase of the ghost shit? I forgot the explanation for that, but the depiction and application of augmented reality seems like it could fall under hard sci-fi.

>>20333549

What's wrong with the hoverboard?

>>20333498
Agreed. Manabi Straight is at least in the Diamond Hard category.

Planetes is also Diamond Hard. As far as I can see, only fusion engines and such put it outside the Present Day Tech category.

>>20333627
wings of honneamise - gainax

Read the manga adaptation of The Two Faces of Tomorrow.

>>20333549
Okay, true, there was a hoverboard. But that's minor enough in my opinion. The computer technology was a reasonable extension of what we have in development today, and in general things were very realistic.

>>20333754

I'm still not seeing any problems with the hoverboard.

I would say anything with mechas can't be considered that

>>20333124
I don't know if it's being distributed, so it might be hard to find, but you could look for the anime adaptation of Doc Smith's Lensman.

It's pretty good.

Dokuro-chan.
Sakura's technology needs to be researched. Eternal life > all

>>20333798
why not? we have robots,exoskeletons,bi/multipedal vehicles underdevelopment and in use now.

Gundam.

>>20333881

I think it's mostly because everything else in mecha shows is totally whack (wack?).

>>20333881
taken from the website
"...also giant robot anime in general (the giant robots ("evas") in Neongenesis seem to be too large to support their weight)..."

ERGO FUCKING PROXY

>>20333881
Power armor, maybe would work.
Humanoid bipedal mechas would be totally inneficient in real combat.

>>20333746
The only hard science in here, and maybe Planetes.

>>20333923

But they're not robots.

>>20333981

Yeah, you don't know shit.

>>20333443
It makes my penis hard and it's scifi, so yeah.

>>20333754
Alright. Near-future like Manabi, Real Drive, Dennou Coil and GiTS (a little) tend to pass as hard to make them seem closer to now. Aria could be very/ultra going by the link's categories.

I've not seen anything that simultaneously stays that hard and reaches far out in terms of scope (mostly due to the aforementioned lack of interest in anything that doesn't involve beamspamming robots) like Baxter or Bear

>>20333983
taken from the website
"Giant animals (e.g. Godzilla, giant mutant ants or spiders) can move exactly the way they could if they were normal sized (ignores scaling law - mass is cubed while length is only doubled)"

Hard sci-fi doesn't mean that the application of the depicted science/technology also has to be realistic. Look at planetes, collecting garbage in space is something eve nasa said would be a waste of time and resources.

>>20333923
if starship troopers qualifies as hard scifi so should gundam

>>20333983
yeah i was thinking same thing. prolly honeycombed nano-diamond bone structure with cortical and compact regions that remodel based upon stress ... or not

>>20334075
Starship Troopers is specifically cited as "medium".

Patlabor is definitely on the hard side of sci fi.
Planetes is as well.

>>20334033

>Aria could be very/ultra

One does not just terraform Mars.

>>20333474
RD wasn't Hard SF-- it fantasized up the entire ecosystem was a cyberspace networked by water. The shittiest Brin/Benford novels were like that.. -_-
>>20333499
No, I'd give Dennou Coil a 'Hard' rating-- it did very little 'IGNORE PHYSICS LOL!'. The weakest part was the girl's 'soul' being caught up with it..

>>20333627

Wings of the Honneamise

Mecha is completely retardeed as far modern combat goes. The best thing they would be is "rockets magnets"

Legend of the Galactic Heroes?

>>20334114

>it fantasized up the entire ecosystem was a cyberspace networked by water.

Joke's on you because that's true.

>>20334075
you are talking about the movie or the book??
from the website:
"Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (has some silly elements, e.g. giant bugs shooting plasma at Earth (very soft sci fi concept), also the usual FTL plot device, but otherwise story has a lot of hard sci fi ideas. Some have criticised the politics, others sympathised with it, but this has nothing to do with the science rating. The movie version was a soft sci fi satire)."

...but otherwise story has a lot of hard sci fi ideas....

>>20334125

Medium

Stellvia of the Universe

>>20334118
Mecha is about as realistic as... mecha musume (aka Strike Witches/Sky Girls). But with the disavantage that mecha musume directors know it's not realistic and don't spurt out nonsense.

>>20334098
If the ground everywhere they step is conveniently layered in the same unobtanium, perhaps, but it still would not be more useful than a less toyish platform

>>20334062
It helps

>>20334075
The Starship Troopers anime sucks and doesn't really have much in common with the novel.

Don't make me remember Gundam 00. Sword fights in space using humanoid bipedal mechas.

>>20334217

I kind of liked the OVA

>>20334230
do you even know what "hard science fiction" means?

>>20334099
medium is still in the "hard" bracket

planetES read the manga!! get confised by this..

>>20333338
How the hell is LoGH hard sci-fi? They travel through space at over light speed through some mystery magic technology that is never explained, on space-ships that somehow have artificial gravity, all the while the rest of society runs on a more or less 20th-century technological level.

>>20334217
i said the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film)

>>20334279

I never knew the manga was so... ugly.

>>20333983

They supposedly share most of their DNA with humans, which means that their bones are probably pretty much teh same as bones from other earth critters. So yeah, they're too big to support their own weight. Anything that big would have to have an artificial and/or very alien biology.

turn off the computer, sit the fuck down and read Red Mars. and then Green Mars. And then Blue Mars.

>>20334303
the art is actually really great, its a bit, less than perfect but the characters are not really affected by the ugly art....wait a minute.

Gundam 00 is ripping off of Arthur C. Clarke's novels, that's pretty hardcore.

you guys forgot to mention TTGL

the most obvious example of hard science fiction

>>20334109
Other than gravity manipulation which Amano handwaved, terraforming is well within theory. Just in practice it would take some outrageous energies. Stands to be more useful than a humanoid giant robot, at the very least, if not as useful as a few more plausible types of zero-g colonization.

>>20334175

<3 that show!

maybe Blame! was awesome, but i don't know if it fits.
galaxy express 999, toward the terra (manga) and they were 11! (manga).

>>20334118
mechs don't have to be bipedal and 10 stories tall. Sure, there might not be any uses for them in actual combat as of now, but things evolve as the need arises. Look at the combat vespa for instance. It's not just a scooter that can carry rockets, it's a scooter that actually has a recoilless rifle built into it.

If anything, the big dog can be used as a psychological weapon.

>>20334062
even if the realistic technologie was developed to use in a unrealistic application (instead of developing the technology because of some reason and THEN using it to a unrealistic application)

>>20334331

Shut up and watch Total Recall.

>>20334361
there are easier ways to bore myself to death.

FLT is possible without time travel (altho you wouldnt be actually going faster than light, the result is the same) so this chart is horseshit

>>20334062

NASA doesn't know shit.

>>20334331
>Turn off the computer and read
That's usually the conclusion we come to

>>20334381

It looks like you had a little misfire there. You meant to quote >>20334331, I'm sure.

>>20334401

wat

Kaiba
It had a soylent green episode.

>>20334401

何?

>>20334414
to use 4chan he need to read, unless he only see the pictures

>>20334248
Well, they have much more advanced technologies than we have, but their military tactics are something a 6 years old child would probably be able to beat.
Beam weapons that are slower than projectiles used today.
And the acceleration a Gundam pilot would be able to endure.

Manned combat machines are probably becoming extinct due to that. There is a limit on how much force a human being can take, and so a limit on the acceleration he can have.

>>20333545
http://bt.shinsen-subs.org/%5BKanjisub_%26_Shinsen-Subs%5D_Space_Fantasia_2001_Nights_%5B9BD50CFA%5D
.avi.torrent

>>20334401
Elaborate.

>>20334433
No. The movie is a piece of shit and we all know it.

>>20334444
that idiot is going to say the alcubierre drive.

>>20334216
heheh my main point was that evas aren't really mechs - they're like cyborg dinosaurs wearing armor. also although people mock mechs, gigantic bipedal creatures seemed to do okay for million of years - it may seem silly now because our tech level is too low but in the future meh ...

>>20334454

Kaiba was pretty soft but its themes were consistent, at least.

>>20334347
I'm not talking about this kind of thing. I'm talking about humanoid robots with a pilot inside of it.
Like Gundam, Mazinger, etc.

>>20334401
If you say say anything about space-time bubbles I will drop mines on your house

>>20334476

I have no idea what you're talking about. Total Recall was awesome. It's obvious you haven't seen it.

Here's two other recommendations, although one of them has yet to get another anime season.

Macross Plus: FTL travel. Unmanned fighters. AI on a rampage. Thought controlled fighter jets. Trippy shit.

Full Metal Panic: Dark technology. Bipedal mecha. Deus Ex Machine driver (Lambda Driver). Evolved humans. Dolphin brains.Time paradox.

>>20334577
wouldn't a bomb work better? i don't think he is going to be walking on his roof any time soon.

nobody's said FLAG yet?

>>20334577

Shut up, subspace is real.

>>20334628

Nope

Gundam 00...

GN particles

Enough said

>>20334734

I don't get it. What are you trying to say?

>>20334487
Until they fucking died and small, fast, efficient with a better mass to strength ratio became the norm

If ancient ground squirrels had rocket launchers theropods would be out of meals and out of population even sooner

No one has mentioned Starship Operators yet?

Space-based battles that take hours from detection time to get in range for a single shot? Space cruisers that generally can't take more than one blow from a main weapons system? Amidship quarters that exist in a spinning wheel while the rest of the ship is in null gravity?

There was FTL but I seem to recall that it was limited, required a huge computer and a long checklist to engage.

>>20334923
I've got that on a to-watch list, I should bump it up.

>>20334786
Gundam is either soft or super soft

>>20334976
For most cases? Yes. Not for 00, though.

Read this: http://z11.invisionfree.com/gundam00/index.php?showtopic=699&st=0

>>20334923

The XO is a woman. Totally soft.

Has Ghost in The Shell been discussed?

>>20333262

Haruhi is soft as shit. He wants HARD science fiction, do you know what that means?

itt: people have no idea what they're talking about

Ghost in the Shell franchise
Planetes

That's pretty much it.

Cowboy Bebop maybe, but technology takes a back seat to everything else.

A lot of the ones mentioned are crapped up by pseudoscience BS (i'm looking at you dennou coil, real drive)

When they make 2001: A Space Odyssey into an anime, then we shall have it.

>>20335128
not hard sci-fi

>>20335007
Wow, overanalysis at its greatest. This is like that pasta where Akikan is a deep look at life and love.

Do person at that board know that Gundam 00 is fiction and that its creators have almost no knowledge in physics?

>>20335028

She was technically the strategist, the Captain was selected to specifically be a man (even though he was the wussiest person on the bridge crew.) The bridge crew was required to contain mostly woman by the company that bought the rights to broadcast their battles on the galactic news.

>>20334923

Intrigued by the description kindly reported by Anonymous, Anonymous investigated further. His first stop was a search on anidb.net, which immediately brought up a picture of women in SPACE SKIRTS. Anonymous then went about procuring said program with great haste.

>>20334873
mammals needed help from an asteroid / comet / whateva to dethrone the dinosaurs. also advanced mechs might not require the amount of overdesign for strength we use. prolly operate much closer to their limit stresses and suffer significant amounts of damage and fracture but use microscopic self-repair systems to prevent serious progression of damage to avoid catastrophic failure of systems / components blah blah blah blah blah

>>20335028

what the hell does that have to do with it being hard sci fi or not?

>>20335256

Women don't belong in space

>>20335232
>mammals needed help from an asteroid / comet / whateva to dethrone the dinosaurs.
no they didn't.

>>20335232
I would call big humanoid mechas of "target practice".
Rockets, motherfucker, do you know it?
Also, planes. Why in the fuck someone is going to use a bipedal robot to fly?

Noein
Voices of a Distant Star
The Place Promised in Our Early Days

>>20335119
I'm not sure if your a troll or just a retard that doesn't keep up with existing technology if you're saying dennou coil is bullshit science while GiTs is not.

>>20334923

My favorite part of Starship Operators is when they fire the main cannon the first time and there's this huge noise of the beam firing and everyone on the bridge crew is really confused.

"What the hell was that?"
"Oh, we added sound effects so the viewers could better associate with the images they're seeing"

Its funny since there shouldn't be sound in space.

>>20335373
>why in the fuck someone is going to use a bipedal robot to fly?

to be also able to walk

>>20334923
>>20335407
too bad that show was boring shit

>>20334923

I was gonna say Starship Operators as well

Vandread has some hard aspects

I havent seen it yet , but isnt Ghost Hound sci-fi ?

old old OLD school ... Gall Force .. those are my ideas

>>20335256
That's a joke

>>20335232
You're missing the point -- advances in materials and energy plants and all this other speculative science will benefit, for examples, an overdesigned tank or aerial vehicle the same as it would benefit a giant human-shaped thing. Add to that the inherent weaknesses of a huge profile and physical limits of the archetypal 'anime giant robot' structure and it's clear that the latter limits how 'hard' its story can be in terms of plausibility

gundam<votoms<patlabor/mechwarrior (more resembling a dinosaur than a person)<I dunno, a VTOL something, or little teddy bears with ropes tied to trees

>>20335156
Aside from the Monolith premise the movie was almost nothing BUT hard sci-fi.

If you're gonna rag on Clarke, you might take issue with the Rama books.

Leave 2001 alone.

>>20335473
>retard on /a/ says it's "boring shit"
Watching immediately

Only ones I can think of are Gunbuster and Ever17.

Then again, Ever17 isn't an anime...

>>20335520

I got half way through the first Rama book and had no idea what the fuck was going on. Never finished it.

>>20335520
I only ever read the first and second Rama books, were the others any good?

>>20335538

It's actually really exciting. Best show ever.

>>20335410
It would fly much worse than a plane, and in land I'm pretty sure it would be much worse than tanks.

>>20335599
but you would get a mix of both

>>20335599
NOT IF ITS A PLANE WITH LEGS

>>20335549
I love Gunbuster because it had the science segments about relativity and gravity drives inserted in a show about mechas doing pushups and HOMING LASERRRRRRR!!!

>>20335662
Just to get destroyed by either.

>>20335584
I just checked the wiki and it said that the plot is about them starring in a reality tv show. You sure this is good?

>>20335513
War of the Worlds has the most plausible mecha. Legs make sense on the rough martian terrain, and three of them are necessary for stable footing, more just adds redundancy and the atmosphere doesn't allow flight as easy as on Earth. Plus the heat-ray actually benefits from the increased position.

>>20335599
Watch Full Metal Panic for a practical use of bipeds.

>>20335568
I didn't think so, personally.
Clarke's writing got a bit shallower the older he got.
As good as 2001 was and still is,I can't bring myself to read 3001 again.

>>20335684
go ahead and watch it. I was the one who said it was boring shit. Not bad, but boring, and not becuase of it's attempt at realism either. The whole premises and the pacing was a snore fest IMO. I never finished it though.

>>20335684
yeah it's pretty good. their government gets conquered or something and so they decide to be in a tv show to get enough money to run the ship

>>20335697

It also had the most retarded aliens.

>>20335662
A highly inneficient one. It wouldn't be comparable to even a 4th generation fighter (even those Russian planes that are good only for airshows would beat them), or any tank (or teddy bears with trees and ropes)

>>20335701
I really like FMP, but to call it realistic is beyond retarded.

>>20335701
lol no. Full metal panic is super robot in real robot skin. A somewhat "realistic" usage of robots in warfare would be garasaki (though the show itself turns into magical bullshit, the mechas don't gain magical super powers, they still are depicted as "realistic hardware). Also patlabor.

Starship Operators had a forced plot that was practically stolen out of a hentai game. If you like School Days, you'll be able to live with this.

actually, patlabor is a really good showcase of how impractical and pointless human-form mecha are.

>>20335795
Lambda Driver aside, the mecha in that show are insanely real. Even the ones powered by Palladium Reactors. It's also one of the few shows to depict these machines as being extremely high maintenance. The entire M9 Arm Slave has to be stripped entirely after every sortie and get several parts completely replaced.

I also enjoy the realistic cockpit setup, and the idea that only a super computer in conjunction with the pilot can control it. Even then, you need an insanely experienced pilot.

>>20335832

Intentional or unintentional?

I'm glad I participated in a Starship Operators Hijack.

Memories - Magnetic Rose

I am going to go with Ergo Proxy here. There is are a few elements that seem unrealistic (the gods or whatever) but the nuclear holocaust, robots, technology, and government control is pretty hard science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNMtWetrOM

See what would pretty much wipe out a entire army of mechas without much effort.

Evangelion would probably qualify more towards the moderate end of hard sci-fi.

I mean, you've got human cloning, alien cloning to make giant robots, neural interfaces, computers, etc. The plot may be unrealistic, but I think it qualifies.

>>20335869

well it frequently showed walkers of various types getting pwned by conventional forces.

not to mention some emphasis on maintenance, transport, and training difficulties.

Nobody mentioned Bubblegum Crisis and Appleseed yet?

>>20335879

Your post sucks really hard.

>>20335879
Only reason to watch that show was Pino. You know this to be true.

It also felt like a boring kino no tabi later on in the show.

>>20335879
>There is are a
derp, i can't type...

Metal Gear Solid. an excellent mix of hard science fiction and supernatural horror.

>>20335906

Nope.

>>20335919
Actually I really liked it. Though, I think it would have been a whole lot better if the main guy didn't turn out to be a god. That concept was pretty dumb.

Also the show didn't need a gameshow episode.

>>20335919

Ergo Proxy was completely fucking awesome until, like you said, it basically turned into a boring Kino no Tabi after 13 episodes.

>>20335889
that vid sickens on both a humanitarian and financial level (how many milions were wasted taking out a mere two ragheads???)

>>20335969

In blind foolery, I watched the gameshow episode thinking it to be the first. So confused......

ok guys i got it... since there is a limited supply of hard sci-fi material out there and if you watch it all there wont be anymore. so listen to this, dont watch any of it....close your eyes, and pretend. then make your own story and live it like you were actually there. FUCK YES!! *closes eyes*............................HOLY SHIT THAT WAS AWESOME!!!i wont spoil the experience for you, but you definitely have to try it yourself. *closes eyes again*..................................God this is so much better than searching for anime!!!!! im already on chapter seven. earth was just about to be obliterated by a hyper-spherical-neutrino-ray burst, but at the last second the scientist diverted main power to the reverse polar electro-stabilizer fortification device and dispersed all of the beams directly into the sun, where upon reigniting the dying star so that it would last for 30000000 million years. wow!! good stuff. and that wasnt even the best part.

>>20336016
>that vid sickens on both a humanitarian
Faggot

>>20335897
Those things just make it sci-fi. Approximating realism is a major measure of hardness, otherwise the difference is meaningless.

>>20336022

i don't think you know what hard sci fi is ...

>>20336054
Redneck.

>>20336114
If you love terrorists so much, you can always go to Afghanistan to suck their cocks. I heard they love liberals in there.

>>20336171
They probably have a better relationship with the people who get trolled into rage out of this anyways.

>>20335889
I'd like to see your spooky track a target going at these speeds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZstHPBJCV8

>>20336171
You excel at proving my point.

There seems to be some misconspetion as to WHAT "hard sci fi" actually is (wikipedia does a good job of summarizing HSF):

"The heart of the "hard SF" designation is the relationship of the science content and attitude to the rest of the narrative, and (for some readers, at least) the "hardness" or rigor of the science itself.[7] One requirement for hard SF is procedural or intentional: a story should be trying to be accurate and rigorous in its use of the scientific knowledge of its time, and later discoveries do not necessarily invalidate the label."

The story has:

1) Real science as it's background
2) Plausible future science
(3 Optional) An examination of the science's effect on the characters

Most anime falls into NOT the science fiction category, but the FANTASY category. The later Gundam series are great examples of this. The Gundams are just stand-ins for suits of armor and there impact beyond that is none. Yes, they are "science fictiony" but they are not used in such a manor that moves them beyond mere fantasy. You can have science stuff in a fantasy setting and still not be true scifi.

>>20336340
>>20336312
>>20336277
>>20336171
>>20336114
>>20336054
forgeting anyone?? whatever.. you guys are the reason people ahte 4chan!!! you have the attention span of a dead cricket. OP is patiently waiting for good discussion, but you guys are like HERP DERP DE HURRRR Afghanistan DURR TERRORISTSTISSIS DER LETS BOMB"EM ALL FAG NO HATE WAR PEACE FOR EVEURYBODY HILLBILLY REDNACK FAGGOT etc etc etc and so on. lets talk about hard fucking sci-fi. and maybe some medium sci-fi since there isnt alot of hard stuff out there.

>>20336425
yaaay reason.

>>20336312
For that there is a expensive plane called F22 Raptor.

>>20336437
Discussion has pretty much run its course. Let them act like babies.

>>20336556
Rather, the CIWS shown in the video (which for some reason does nothing)

That sort of thing is cooler than mechs I think, underused as it is. People like swords. Heard YukiKaze was a vehicle for Top Gun level homolust though