So now, for-profit colleges, driven by their investors, raise tuition. Which causes the regular colleges and expensive colleges to try to cash in on a little bit of that by raising their tuition. All because the for-profits have created a government spending machine and use the students as their cash cows to slaughter and serve up to investors. Meanwhile, the students get left in massive debt and a useless program degree.

What will happen to those of us students that were defrauded and are now trapped in the cycle of debt from the predators?

Before Sallie Mae lost their federal funding it was like.... Sallie Mae and others lobbied away Student's bankruptcy rights in 2005. Then phase 2 happened...

Sallie Mae paid Schools kickbacks/rewards to prefer them. The schools bloated enrollment with marketing, and deceptive recruiting tactics to get students to come in. They would target low budget, single family, single parent, first generation people. Or they would even target military vets much like a car dealership would. These perspective students would be rushed, they would be pushed as fast as they could be into seats. They would steer the students toward their financial aid loan officers (Sallie Mae employees?) apply for federal loans (Documents already filled out, numbers on speed dial, E-signtures abound), apply for FASFA (they kept a list and hunted down those that didn't apply for it), and bloated the amount of loans needed for things like supplies, laptops, bottom of the barrel dorm-rooms (charging top dollar). The recruiters would coach the students into lying, change paperwork, lose paperwork, and overall deceive the hell out of both the student and the government. These students were then sent into class that started fast, Add-drop week was 2 weeks long, if a student didn't like a class during week 2, it was too late to drop and the student was charged accordingly. The schools then charged the students as much as they could so the student would be forced to use Sallie Mae PRIVATE loans which the school would disguise by referring to Sallie Mae as their "preferred federal lender" and Blur the line between federal and private. The teachers would be the same 5-10 teachers, rotating, with bad skills. Many of them,industry "experts" aka washouts/blackballed members of that working community or students hired as teachers at a rock bottom rate.

Or you can just be smart and get scholarships for that

When the time for a new term would come up, the students would be dragged into a grilling session to grill them for more loans. "Sign this or you can't go back to class!" No time to consult with a parent, lawyer, or anyone responsible. But, since many people they targeted had parents that had no experience even buying a house, nevermind signing for loans with hidden interest rates.

The students would be pushed through whatever program the schools could peddle off that were "hot". Graphic Design, Medical, Animation, Game design, and more. Anything they could catch the eye of the newest generation of first time college buyer. Students would catch on and leave because these were not quality. They would swamp the students with debt.
Students would leave the school and end up under employed, or they would try to get a job through the school, in AI's case, top employer, HOME DEPOT in 2005.
Then Sallie Mae would take over. Sallie Mae would catch the student off guard with 2 bills, private and Federal. Sallie Mae will then work as hard as they can to push that student into default, losing payments, lying about payment applications, throwing students into customer service loops from hell, and worse. STudents would default on their federal. Sallie Mae would then use their next arm of financial dominance. They would use the Department of Education to utilize their own collection company, Pioneer Credit to tack 25% on the defaulted student loans and garnish the student for 15% of every paycheck, without any type of litigation needed. So if nobody paid the private ones, it didn't matter, Sallie Mae was still making a ton off the Feds.

Now, Sallie Mae was removed from their Federal perch, but students are still being swamped with the old debt and the private loans. Sallie Mae is beginning to move away from that business in general because they realize that the students don't want their 12% interest rate loans from hell.

Students are trapped in a cycle of debt because both Private and Federal student loans are exempt from bankruptcy, unless "hardship is proven" in which case it can't be proven easily.
I fell for 2 of these schools using the exact same tactics. I'm now$ 79k in debt thanks to these scumbags. So what about me? What happens to me and people like me? We are trapped after falling for these deceptive criminals.


This is an entire generation left in debt. Anyone going to school between 2000 and now. all because we tried to make our future better.

Who do we have to turn to?


Scholarship? GOOD LUCK. If you're a white middle class male, you're not getting anything.

>>1960420
>imply scholarships pay for EVERYTHING.

this won't happen if universities just let everybody in; where else can the dumb get a degree?

Frontline documentary about this subject:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/

for profit schools are good. sallie mae is bad.

we need more for profit schools. profit = growth = more good schools everywhere.

I feel bad for kids who fall for this. 40,000 for an associate degree? I havent been in school in a while. Is this common now?

>Ilmeeni kun suomen koulutusjärjestelmä

>>1960455
>Scholarship? GOOD LUCK. If you're a white middle class male, you're not getting anything.

HAHAHAHAHA
Maybe if you're fucking ignorant, but if you do well on standardized tests (SAT and ACT) then you should be able to get at least your tuition for college paid for with scholarships.

>go to a decent state university
>75% of the tuition is waved because I'm a resident of the state
>80% of what's left is paid off by state-sponsored scholarships for anyone with a GPA of 3.0 or higher
>pay $400 bucks plus another $200 for books every semester
>my face

>>1960510

OSU or CUNY?

>>1960515
Georgia State.

>>1960500
I'm not OP, but I got a 1520 SAT (when it was out of 1600), and 34 ACT (out of 36), and I didn't get any scholarships. I applied to every one I could find, but nope, middle class white male.

>>1960455

I'm a white, middle class male. Worked my ass off in high school, got a scholarship to university. There were a good number of black and native students in my school. None of them had the kind of scholarships you refer to.

>>1960521

Not bad, not bad a'tall.

>Go to a State Universit
>Have an EFC of 390
>Only Qualify for a Perkins Grant of 3,000 and Unsub/Subsidized Loans
>My Face

The for-profit colleges should not be as prevalent as they have become. Instead of for-profit colleges, corporations that shipped jobs to India or China should have been required to pay a fee in the form of funding to local community colleges in order to retrain their workers as well as train younger, undereducated workers who can't look forward to a factory job.

>live in Argentina
>be the son of a factory worker
>don't pay a dime to go to the best schools
>graduate
>first job pays $1.5k USD a month
>my face

>>1960474

Ok Troll, you got my rage.

The for-profit colleges are nothing but bad. Remember all those BAD sales people selling during the housing and bad investment collapses? Yeah, its those same people. They got jobs taking advantage of younger less educated people.

These for-profit colleges are BAD. I'd rather have my 20 billion dollars spent on STATE RUN colleges and expanding them rather than let some investor gain millions for ripping off tax payers.

>>1960528

maybe you're disgustingly ugly and they didn't want your sweaty, pock marked face all over their campus

>>1960544
>1.5k a month
You enjoying that 9.50hr?

>>1960528
Funny, as I was also a middle class white male with a 1450 and 32 and I got a full ride to Clarkson.
I guess your teachers hated you.

>>1960544
So you make as much as people in the U.S. make working minimum wage at McD's?

>Go to 2 for-profit colleges to pursue animation
>Only Qualify for Pell Grants of 5000
>Qualify for 29k in Federal student loans
>Qualify for 50k in private loans disguised as Federal Loans from Sallie Mae
>My Face

>>1960558
Location location location

What city do you live in? That typically determines a lot of scholarships.

For instance, if you're from NYC, you might not get as many scholarships as someone from Detroit.

>finished college
>$20000 in debt
>claim to suffer depression, file for disability insurance
>75% of debt waved

my face

>>1960563
>implying the costs of living are the same
>implying a full-time job in Argentina isn't obligated by law to pay for you and your family's healthcare (which is much cheaper than american't healthcare), for emergency bills, for life insurance, etc. etc.

Is he a Jew?

>>1960544
I make about $2499 a month USD.
And Sallie Mae is raping my face into the ground.

So by increasing supply, he drove up prices?

Where did you get your edumacation, OP? Beck U?

>>1960613
Of course, aside from the salary.

America cannot into a properly functioning society.

>>1960610
so what you dont have to work now? you still have to pay some back and you dont have a career

>>1960629
They didn't increase supply. They created an artificial system to make students believe that COMMUNITY COLLEGE SUCKS and that they provide better.

That they can provide you WITH the future.

They can help you with your caviar dreams and champagne wishes.

And all they want is the Federal money.

That's why Sallie Mae is considering leaving the student loan business. They realize the money they're giving out in private loans isn't worth the paper its printed on and that the students can't pay. They're offering a shit service.

>>1960626

with jews, you loose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Miller

If they add this new regulation to the for-profit schools, I will be happy. If they add bankruptcy protection to those of us who got deceived, left out in the cold, and are totally broken, I will fucking dance in the street.

>Graduate college with a shitload of debt
>Unemployed
>"But wait a minute that's not how it works!"
>"The free market will fix it!"

>>1960711
FFFFFffffff :/


You forgot the part
>don't have enough money to pay phone bill anymore so Sallie Mae can harass me.

>>1960748

you can start your own technical college.

You'd think 20 billion federal dollars would have some sort of policing on it.

I know they wouldn't just trust ME with that much money.


They made it a business of extorting money out of poor kids. Taking advantage of the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND act.

>>1960500
I had a 3.2 GPA and a 1380 (math&reading) on my SAT and I didn't get shit besides Stafford loans.

>>1960374
You went to a FOR-PROFIT college and are upset that they are extorting you for MORE PROFIT?

What the fuck did you expect out of it?

Try going to a real school, faggot.

>>1960769
I'd start the College of Living Dirt Cheap after We Rip you off Blind.

First class, "Proper preparation of RAMEN NOODLES"

Second class, "Scoring free shit from Craigs List and avoiding Pedos and Rapists"

Third Class, "How to tell Sallie Mae collectors off in Spanish, French, and Italian."

Fourth class, "Working as an Indentured Slave to the College"

degrees arent worth shit anymore. Everybody has one. niggers have them.

I know what I'll do with my degree... start a business!

>>1960804
That's because you had a shitty GPA and Mediocre SAT score.

>>1960814
Maybe if I knew how at the time.

Hell, I went through the military and still didn't know much

>>1960864
102% and 1510 doesn't get you anything better.

>>1960804
>>1960500
>>1960528
Don't you also get scholarships for doing bad, ironically

I got a $1,000 scholarship while going to community college. Got it for continuing education in nursing, to go get my BSN

I had like a 3.2 or something. I don't think SATs or ACTs mattered, wouldn't anyways as I had a 980 and 25 or something like that

>>1960528
You are so full of shit it hurts. You have to be some kind of loser not to get a full ride ride to at least one State University with those scores.

>>1960870
There are PLENTY of non-profit colleges and universities out there, and as long as you aren't dumb as shit it shouldn't be a problem to get in.

And maybe your degree will be worth the paper it's printed on.

It's your damn fault for playing that smug faggot's game.

>Join the military full time, get all the benefits
>Get suckered into a for profit school
>Get dropped $79k into defaulted student loans
>Find out 100% Free education would be provided by state to Veterans
>My Face


Captcha sorta related: student.... orippl?

>>1960711
>>1960748
>drop out of school second year
>find job and work my way up
>make 80k a year
>paid off what little loan debt I had
>mfw

Aren't pretty much every colleges/universities/schools for-profit?

>>1960914
No. For-profits actually have investors and are publicly traded.

if you can afford to go, the school should let you in. If more people apply than can be enrolled, the school should expand.
Once the school expands. it will have increased supply, and costs will go down. more people can afford to enroll, rinse and repeat.
affordable, excellent education for everyone. thank you free market.

>Live in a country with good-tier federal universities
>Getting a major
>Paying absolutely nothing

How is it that the US are superior anyways?

>>1960892
Confirming that state schools don't give out shit just for having 15XX. I got a pissant 1k/semester scholarship for continuing to go to the state school after I graduated from its concurrent high school/college program.

>>1960374
There was something on FOX about them ripping you off, all on camera too

One told the guy don't report an inheritance, another that barbers can make $600-$1,000 a day, and one saying he has debt but could find a way not to pay it

Whose Idea was it to throw $20 billion to them anyway?

>>1960939
Yeah, CNN ran that story when it broke too.

Right when it was rumored and about to break, they interviewed me for it because my debt is fucking HUGE It's triple what I make a year almost. But, they didn't use the footage because the federal footage was powerful enough.

>>1960920

so what, a grocery store is for-profit and it doesn't have investors and is not publicly traded.

>>1960890
And on top of that, I got 3 out of 4 years free by signing up for FAFSA

>>1960928
Our schools are better than your schools. Yours are just subsidized.

>>1960984
The For-profits LIVE off FASFA.

They keep a list of every single student who uses it and track down and stalk the shit out of the students that don't. If they don't qualify, they tell them to lie so that they do.


CAPTCHA Governments repite

For-Profit schools are 100% backed by conservative interest groups, business lobbyists, and Republicans.

Of course it's a money-making endeavor that fucks over students. Republicans want to keep the masses dumb and poor.

You'll notice all the conservative education cronies went to private schools and their children go to private schools. Yet they complain the loudest about public schooling to manipulate the public.

>>1961008

implying Harris Miller is not a Democrat.

>>1960981
Think of it this way...

A car dealership rips people off for a living.

Suddenly, people want to buy cars and the government offers help if the cars are good enough.

Car Dealerships suddenly turn that government aid into a conveyor belt to their bank and start selling shitty cars to simply access the car money.

People are left with shit boxes and the fucking car dealership prospers.

>>1961008
They must keep the masses dumb and poor so they can buy their votes using welfare! Wait, I think I have my tinfoil on backwards...

>>1961016
He will be whatever he is PAID to be.

Lobbyist is a politician that is paid to think the way of the company that is paying them.

He would try to lobby slavery back if they paid him high enough.

Right now he is. Indentured slavery.

>>1960993
Does it really matter if they are better or not? You can't even afford to go to yours.

I simply pity the fact that you have to go into deep debt to be able to afford anything, except you won't be able to, because you are deep in debt.

Education forms the future of the nation, and your future is debt. Enjoy.

mfw I can go to the second best state university and undergrad business school (ranked in the top 15 for finance) basicly for free.

Cant wait until my future employers pay for me to get an MBA shit will be so cash.

HOLY FUCK! THIS RETARDED IDIOT WAS TOO STUPID TO GO TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND GET A JOB TO HELP PAY FOR SCHOOL! WE SHOULD ALL FEEL SORRY FOR HIM AND GIVE HIM OUR MONEY!

Just looking through my university book of courses, I found 4 or 5 scholarships for my degree, though one a woman's club.

Then there are another 5 or 6 scholarships in general

All range from $1,000 to $5,000

>>1961035
Anyone who goes to these 'schools' that are being discussed is an imbecile, and the marketing they ploy is geared towards imbeciles.

These colleges give you complete shit education, and employers will laugh at you when you show them the degree.

>>1961036
>implying that will pay for $12k a semester school.

So what is considered low- and upper-middle class?

My parents "make" ~$100,000, combines, before taxes

Fucking gay cause I tried signing up for some club, they say my mom has a Masters degree and I was denied entrance, but could still attend the club. It was MESA, if you know what that is, for science and math

>>1961060
Not everyone has a stable family that would be able to explain the difference.

Some of them are disguised harder than you think.

University of Phoenix advertises EVERYWHERE... and manage to fool the living fuck out of everyone.

>>1961068
I'm guessing you live on campus

Mine Uni goes by quarters, but it's ~$1,100 for part-time and ~$1,600 full-time for undergrads, plus $6,000-$8,000 for housing

Plus, don't know if you can get the scholarships more than once

>>1961078
They're suppose to provide "for you" :3

Isn't that awesome?

Meanwhile, corporate America is grinding people like us into a pulp so that our next generation will be less than 16k a year. :/

>>1961078

mesa, the club for a bunch of people to circle jerk over their IQ scores?

>>1961081
>University of Phoenix advertises EVERYWHERE
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

That along with DeVry, UTI, and CollegeInYourPJs

See one of those commercials at least 5 to 6 times in 2-3 hours when I watch G4, NickToons, VH1 Classic, and Adult Swim

>>1961101
They seemed pretty chill, help you with whatever math or science you're taking

Though there were tons of hispanics, so they might have been bragging in spanish

That Frontline documentary was such horsehit.

Okay, yeah the for profits are pretty shit tire, but so are their students.

They live of Government subsidy, rather than bank loans. No one in their right fucking mind would subsidize PhD's in Psychology not approved by the APA. That is, except for the government.

Really, for-profit schools are a government invention - they're the ones who put out the incentive in the first place.

I'm supposed to feel sorry for a retard who went to a nationally accredited, private school? LOL

>>1961146
If you watched the CNN (and every other network now) story you'd find out it was the schools PUSHING them toward that government aid. Even having the students lie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/04/gao.colleges.deceptive.marketing/index.html

They tested 15 for-profit schools. All 15 of them got caught using high pressure deceptive car salesmen tactics. Many of them were even caught coercing "students" into lying on federal documents to get more aid.

>SUNY School
>Full ride
> +2500 in financial aid after tuition and books
>3000 in loans deferred till may of next year, where I'll get another deferral.

Bush just put the aid out there. Meanwhile, the For-profits who weren't getting anything out of OIL, decided to change tactics and chase down other ventures. They turned students wanting a better future into gold mines.

EDUCATION IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS.

WE'LL DEFEAT YOU MILLERTRON

>be a middle class white male
>have a 4.0 at flagship state university (in mathematics)
>no scholarships

Niggers and spics get all the money here, while the white man is over looked.

>>1961256
True story: I'm a smart white guy going back to college at 31. I'm getting fucktons of money. There's some age range (25?) you have to get past, and after that they think you are some poor dumb fuck who needs all the help they can get.

Loving it.

>>1961256
Are you in Idaho or Utah?

Go to a place where you'd be considered a minority

study economics... education is a service. it should be completely privatized.

>>1961290
>implying the best schools aren't private non-profits

>>1961246
>Implying education is a right

You have right to your life. You have right to be treated as a human. You have the right to pursue what makes you happy as long as it doesn't intrude on the happiness of someone else. Everything else is not a right, it's privelage

>>1961283
Just looked through a list of scholarships at CSUSB, there were 3 or 4 for people over 25 or have been out of HS for 8 years

I'm sure there are tons of grants too

>>1961295

lol non profits... harvard has what.. 30 billion dollars?

a properly run, private college should grow to meet enrollment demand. like a business. the increased supply and competition will bring down prices naturally.

Learning is a way of life. A requirement.

Nobody should be profiting on it. Teaching, and having your knowledge passed on is a privilege.

Who the fuck should be able to sign away 30 years of their life to student debt in a blink anyway?

>take a Pharm tech certificate program at the adult school
>7 months classroom, 3 months externship
>Get hired on at end of externship
>Company pays my tuition for remainder of my PharmD program
>Go to school nights and weekends for 3 years
>Now I'm a baller ass pharmacist
IT'S THAT EASY, YO

>>1961347

who fill syour head with such nonsense? profit is good. they should profit, then they can grow and educate more people.. geez

lol @ people who dont realize that colleges jack up their prices because they know they are the gatekeepers to success in a fucked up corporate capitalist system

They have a guaranteed fucking demand. They are a monopoly to success, and they know it

>>1961353
Yo dawg, I could be a pharmacist fo free without schoo

>>1961376
But what will happen when everyone has an associates? A bachelors?

I mean an associates is equivalent to a HS diploma now

>>1961403
Who knows? There are already too many people with degrees, and too few people going into hard sciences, math, etc

Our school-to-work system is beyond terrible all together

Well who says its too soon or too late to fix it?

>>1961403
Not according to Gates, Jobs, Grove, and all those fucks that got H1B visa levels doubled over and over claiming a lack of educated people in America.

Gates just got levels increased again after a visit to Congress with his checkbook, then he sent another $20 million for scholarships in India while still claiming a lack of US graduates.

>>1961529
Another piece of the puzzle. The jobs being sourced to India. Graduates in those fields going, "WTF?!?"

>>1961357

No reason to give them research grants if they're for-profit, they can just research marketable shit.

If they changed the laws so that one could declare bankruptcy on students loans I would be filing those papers so fucking fast it would make your head spin.

Why the fuck do we need everyone in college for? Something like only 20% of all jobs require a bachelors degree or higher. Why don't we direct people to trade schools anymore?

>Go into College Major in Software Engineering
>Look at Dice.com forums, notice there are no more IT Jobs
>Change major to History, get loans waived for helping teach underprivileged youth
>Have a Job I love (Archivist) and no student loan debit

feels good man

>>1961571
That's why we're destined to be a nation of niggers, all the R&D labs are going overseas along with everything else of value. All the "new jobs" created are McJobs doing stupid shit for poverty wages.

>>1961357
Problem is right those "educators" are just place holders for corporate companies. They're not even knowledgeable of their own course. They do away with tenure so that there's no value for being a GOOD teacher.

>>1961529
God, I hate those fucks. I want so badly to get into IT, yet I easily see my job being outsourced to some fucker in India who is willing to live in a feces-filled ditch.

Why is our government so uninterested in protecting the opportunities and wages of it's own citizens? what the fuck happened, man?

Miller is a Jewish Democrat who lost a Senate primary to Jim Webb after Webb released this comic

>>1961586
What's more annoying is how many college recruiters push and push people into majoring in CS/IT/MIS. Every time i read a new report from the BLS I always crack up, "IT IS A GROWTH SECTOR, JOBS EVERYWHERE! A LAND OF MILK AND HONEY"

There is a serious disconnect between what we are telling people majoring in IT/CS and what the actual reality is (IT is dead)

>>1961586
Because these companies are so big they'll just shift their offices out of the states.

>>1960515
CUNY student over here

>Decent college
>2000 - financial aid = 500 a semester
>Search for books online, pirate ebooks and buy othe books needed for <50 dollars
>sell everything cept history and math text books
>gain profit
>my face

Students should NOT be a cash cow. Ever.

We have no money. That's why we are STUDENTS.

They took Credit Card advertising and marketing out of student hands, this is worse than all of them combined.
Captcha: Plauct Nationalize

>>1960455

>White, middle class male
>Get 20,000 a year in merit scholarships by going to a mediocre private school
>Get work study and subsidized loans.
>Get help from my responsible parents.
>Graduate with 8000 in debt
>Get a job
>Pay it off ASAP
>Feels good man.

ITT:

>Private story
>No debt
>trollface.jpg
>Feels good man

The only way to get anywhere after you get a degree from a for-profit college is to win the lottery.

College paid in full by parents. Studied hard enough, but education was a sham all around despite college being rated as #4 in computer science at the time.

At least I'm not in debt up to my eyeballs for wasting 4 years.

>>1961733
Truth

>>1961597
bitter CS Fag detected

>>1961747


which college?

>>1960374
My tuition for one year at medical school is just over $19000. I talk to older docs who say they went to school for about $600 a semester. FML.

nigger moon

>ignores that it's government involvement that is driving up prices and inviting corruption

Medical Attendant here

250$ for Emergency Technician Certification

70$ for Red Cross professionals Basic Life Support Ceritifcation

5000$ Free to get more training through community college, - In B4 lol community college

Get shit done towards nursing career

Get nursing internship with federal Grant

My face making good money at a meaningful job while having no debt because I know Loans are a way of being shackled

>>1962486
I started at community college because my dad had just had a stroke. I did well and got a scholarship to finish at a 4-year university. Finished my BS with only $15k in debt. Got accepted to med school and am now in my senior year with about $135k in debt... but I'll pay that off in about five years and then sit on $250k a year for 35 years... FEELSGOODMAN. Medicine is the best way for the average person in america to make a decent living. Good for you bro. No shit for CC. CC is great for people who actually give a shit.

>Graduate top in my class, dick around for two years
>Start stripping while going to community college
>Don't develop a cocaine addiction, save all money
>Get bachelors in economics
>Get masters in library science
>Work as an economics teacher for two years >Become school librarian
>Buy a 750,000 home in full with the money I saved
>Working cushy ass job, 3 months a year off at 70k
>28
>Feels good man

>>1962523
TITS OR GTFO

>>1962486
Community college is fine, it's for-profit colleges that give you worthless degrees

>>1962523
>Buy a home in full

>>1962575
Why not? Saves money over all. I have about $100,000 in the bank right now, it's not like I was put out by the purchase, and my job security is high.

>>1962575

If you can, why wouldn't you buy a house in full?

Using a mortgage, you end up paying 1.5 to 2 times the cost of your house. Straight into the pockets of the bank.

>>1962575
>implying a home is a bad investment

You know you can sell it right back, right? You don't owe a shitload to the bank when you BOUGHT IT.

People spend their money on a lot stupider shit than property.

>>1962523

Masters in Library Science = 70k?

How did this happen?

>>1962622

librarian get paid that much?

college tuition is expensive because of the department of education and it's ridiculous spending

look it up

>>1962735

Depends on their circumference.

>>1962717
lol my bad, meant 60k (which is a gross estimate- closer to 57k)

Which is high upper bounds, but I work in a large district. If I ever decide I need more money, it's not too difficult to go back for the phd and work in a university, too.

>>1962763

I'm an Archivist I make around 35-45k, I wish I knew where the 70k Librarian jobs were

>>1962735
Most of my savings is left over from stripping/investments (which I didn't make much in)

>>1962778

you stripping? male or female?

>>1962788
Female, $150k-$200k a year, mostly tax free if you declare the minimum in tips.

>>1962523

>"Graduate top in my class"

high school?

>>1962812
In keeping with the time line, yes.

Unless you're asking for a specific high school, in which case I'd rather not say.

>>1961180
>>1961600
>>mfw when SUNY/CUNY fags go to their shit-tier schools and brag about it

The only benefit is if you're going there for a hard science (Stony Brook) or engineering (U at Buffalo) degree. Because they're shit only made less "shit" because of their low prices. Get what you pay for.

lol at our state school system being shittier and ranked lower than fucking georgia, virginia, florida, indiana, minnesota, and texas.

Mexican
gradutated top 10% of my State (WA) in HS
had 3.8 GPA in HS, and got little under 1700 for SAT


Not a single scholarship!
Going to be indebt for a while....
just cause i wanted to be a veterinarian

>>1962904
>vet

Not going to comment on the profession, but that could be why

We need better high schools. If we had better high schools, an 18 year old wouldn't need to go to college to show that he's not a retard.

>>1961376
PAYING MONEY SO YOU CAN BE A WAGE SLAVE, WHAT A COUNTRY!

>>1962973

high school diploma is only worthless because everyone graduates; if you make high school really difficult so that 50% of the people fail, then it will worth as much as today's college diploma.

>>1961586
Delicious short term profits, must sell out future

>>1963016

yes, your future, not their.

Yes, yes, indentured servants.

>For-profit schooling

>>1963042
I KNEW YOU WERE BEHIND IT

I hope for-profit colleges become illegal. These cheap shitty schools are flooding the labor pool with people with easy shit degrees, too. I spent 4 years of hard work away from home slaving away in classes and on projects and it pisses me off if someone can get the same sheet of paper online with minimal effort.

..... though I guess those for-profit degrees aren't useful enough to even be competitive, so in the end everyone loses except for the sick bastards that open these schools.

>>1963066
It's just a shame what they do to the poor fools who get them

They aren't an actual danger from a competition standpoint, to anyone that went to an actual school.

Their degrees are basically laughed at by the vast majority of employers.

>>1963077
>Their degrees are basically laughed at by the vast majority of employers.

Source? You don't have one because it's bullshit.

>>1963014
Even though high school is easy as shit, there's still a 10% or so dropout rate. But yeah, community colleges make associate's degrees the new high school diplomas. What the fuck is the point of the "everyone can be successful and graduate" shit?

>>1961586

With Jews, you lose. It's very simple. They have no interest in you Goys.

>dropped out community college first year
>started 9.50 as assembler
>work for 8 years
>now 85k year as senior engineer
>ready for second mortgage
>mfw no debt

>>1963231
>second mortgage
>no debt
WUT

>>1963238
he probably means he paid off his home and is ready for another, though i know most of you are lying faggots