>Why are anime protagonists always so mediocre, /a/?
Because you, and everyone else in here is mediocre as well.

shity anime is shity

Clannad sucks.

>Is it so the millions of tv watchers can relate to them?
yes

Tomoya has no ambitions or future.

basically he's you, just somehow finding himself in the midst of women who want his cock.

They are supposed to represent the watcher for a better fapping experience.

>>15912833
>>15912841

Proving my point. Retarded anime watchers are retarded.

I DUNNO LOL

>but I can't see anything she'd see in the loser Tomoya
Awwww, you're jealous!

>>15912877
Your retarded

Do you prefer characters who start out perfect with no room for development?

That why he is better off with Nagisa, she actually try to make him better.

>>15912900
>Your

Please kill yourself.

I relate to Ali because I am batshit insane.

>>15912877
So you prefer anime with perfect characters or something?
People like him who have no ambition exist.

>>15912810
>Why are anime protagonists always so mediocre, /a/?
Go watch something with good protagonist, K1 is made of win.

>>15912877
No need to be butthurt about it. It's just that you're nothing special, you're just a worthless faggot who browses /a/.

Know your place.

>>15912906
Actually I kinda do. That's one thing I liked about Kenshin. He's already powerful, confident, and smart.

>>15912914
No, Tomoyo tried to make him better.

Nagisa was just ok with him having no ambition; after all, he can pursue a job as a baker and live without any real goals (I haven't gotten to after story yet).

Nagisa is a very mediocre person too, which is why she is the most realistic choice for him. Me, I need some brains and motivation to fap to.

>>15912926
I fucked you're mom.

The Tomoyo arc is the most realistic one in Clannad. No mysterious illness, no childhood friend, just a big relationship problem that's not that hard to find in real life. The idea of thinking that a girl is too good for you or that you're just going to drag her down is pretty common. If you think he's a loser for following that train of thought you haven't seen that many relationships in which one or both parties have self-esteem issues.

That said, Tomoya treats everything in a pretty rational manner. In the game at least (didn't watch the anime), there wasn't a hint of self pity all throughout the arc, and he was quite happy with his life as a GARbage man at the end of it.

I'd rather have a happy life doing a normal blue collar job with a devoted waifu then doing the corporate rat race alone, wouldn't you?

>>15912969
gtfo troll.

I'd think the girls are actually interested in him because he is a ROUGH AND SEXAY delinquent. That ohmigod goes home late every evening and does not eat dinner with his parents. The rascal!

Fucking shit cartoon that only the most pathetic Japs identify with.

I like Lelouch/Schneizel types because they're fabulous and they make me feel fabulous.

>>15912959
Rurouni Kenshin TV was DBZ with swords.

And Kenshin in the OVA was a sociopath.

>>15913000
Nice timing

Keichii Maebara is the best male protagonist I've seen

>>15912867
>>15912890
>>15912967
I don't think he should have died. I hated that bullshit ending.

>>15912810
To be honest I can relate to Schneizel because I really only do things when other people need them to be done. I don't really care much about my life, if I were to die at any point I really wouldn't have any regrets, this doesn't mean I want to die, it just means I've come to terms with death. I also do or don't do things depending on my mood, if my professor gives me an assignment, I'll do it if I feel like it won't take too much of my life, but if someone else needed that same assignment done, I would do everything in my power to help them get it done.

>>15912988
What pissed me off was that he didn't strive to change anything.

The (anime) scene where he breaks up with her, he shouldn't have done that, selflessness aside. He should have apologized for being a bum, and declared that he would do everything he could to change himself so that he wasn't a liability to her.
And no, personally I'd rather kill myself than have a blue collar job. There are plenty of places you can go to succeed with goals that don't involve corporate rat races, like research or academia-which involve some, but much less politics.

>>15913033
Second.

Soccer team was right they're all loser faggots.

>>15913056
>>And no, personally I'd rather kill myself than have a blue collar job
That just you, lots of people have jobs like that and manage to be happy.
That kind of elitists mentality is fucking retarded.

>>15913033
Yep.

Well, every girl in the Clannad universe is seemingly beautiful. So maybe his harem is actually the relatively ugliest girls in the school and we don't know.

>>15913093
That kind of elitist mentality is perhaps one of the reasons we have progress. Go smoke your weed, fuck your fat girlfriend, and stfu.

Sometimes being ronery is a good thing, if you know how to direct it.

>>15913071
Wait... these pages aren't from the official manga, right ?

Requesting sauce, kind anon.

>>15913046
that's slightly depressing.....

>>15913056

The general point of relationships would be that you enjoy each others' company for what they are. She fell for the easy-going bum; should he become the earnest go-getter, she could just as easily lose interest (and get a whole heap of guilt in doing so). Also, people don't really change, and turning it into some inspirational "you can do anything if you set your mind to it/in the name of love" would just make it even more generic.

As to your distaste of blue-collar work, that's your opinion, but it is somewhat besides the point: he's doing something that he at least doesn't mind doing if not actively enjoys and has a devoted and loving wife. It's a life most would kill for. You shouldn't dismiss it out of hand just because his idea of a fine job doesn't match yours.

>>15913127
sorry, it doesn't sound like you actually know how to direct it.

>>15913071
MOAR

>>15912810
>>While watching the show, I always thought Tomoyo was the best, but I can't see anything she'd see in the loser Tomoya.
That what her route was about, retard.
Everyone thought that Tomoyo was too good for him, that he was a loser without a future who would only drag her down.
But she didn't care because she was happy simply being with him, because she love him.
That mentality of THE CHARACTER ISN'T PERFECT SO I DON'T LIKE HIM is pathetic, you don't have to relate to him, just think of him as his own character with his own story.

>>15913184

I don't think anyone's saying that Tomoya's life isn't envious, just that it's complete bullshit.

shut up, it was the best arc, and not because it was one episode long.

>>15913119
Only Tomoyo and Kyou are attractive.

>>15913233
They're all described as attractive

>>15913222

Which is stupid, and never happens in real life. Hot, intelligent girls don't pick fucking garbagemen.

>>15913230
How so?
You aren't making any sense.

>>15913257
Yes, it happens a lot.
Why do you think all the sportive/cool guys are so popular while the seemingly intelligent guys don't get much?

>>15913261

It's bullshit that a delinquent/garbageman with hardly any personality would attract beautiful, intelligent girls without even trying.

>>15913239
Well, since they're described as being attractive, I'll forget about myself having a penis to judge.

>>15913257
HA HA HA, OH WOW

in b4 statistics about all girls (regardless of intelligence) preferring guys with an iq lower than average.

>>15913293
Tomoya has plenty of personality, and is probably the most well developed character in the game.

>>15913293
A cool, handsome guy with a nice sense of humor who attract girls?
SURELY YOU JEST.
Seriously, you know nothing.

>>15913293
He liked him before he got his job.
Next?

>>15913230
>>15913257

Of course it's unrealistic. If you want realism, go outside and enjoy with the boring day-to-day monotony of the real world.

Some arguments are valid. Criticizing a work of fiction about magical lights and constructs and smart boar pets for being "Unrealistic" is not one of them.

What's so bad about garbagemen? They make good money.

>>15913154
Seconding.

>>15913331
It doesn't surprise me that girls have crushes on him, because he's confident and isn't afraid to help people out with their problems (going from the anime).
However, that's no reason to fall in love with somebody.
I'm just insulted (lolreallife) that Tomoyo is being wasted on someone like him.

>>15913257
They don't pick ordinary garbagemen.

They pick GARbagemen

I didn't realize there were this many people who watched key stuff. This is meant for girls, right?

Oh dear God, fags are actually trying to say Clannad is a plausible story now? Go back to Gaia fucking delusional retards.

>>15913400
>>However, that's no reason to fall in love with somebody.

You don't need a reason to fall for someone, it happens that's all.
Honestly stop trying, it's very apparent you know nothing about relationship.
Which isn't bad, this is /a/ after all.

>>15913400
>that's no reason to fall in love with somebody.

LOL SORRY I GUESS I'LL STOP BEING IN LOVE WITH MY GIRLFRIEND IT'S NOT VERY REASONABLE AFTER ALL IS IT

>>15913400

How is she wasted on him?

Just because he's not ambitious doesn't mean he's a waste of a person. She doesn't mind her current socio-economical situation, and they love each other. That's hardly a waste.

If you're saying you'd hate the idea of someone like her picking someone like him over someone like you, on the other hand, that's another ballgame entirely.

>>15913410
This might just be the stupidest thing I've seen today.

Jealous anon is still jealous, isn't he?

I liked Tomoyo x Tomoya but then he had to go and fall for that stupid short haired bitch. RAGE!

He had a shitty home life op. You fat sack of shit.

>>15913410

It's meant for anyone seeking to catch a glimmer of a hint of what it might be like to have some form of unconditional love that's as common as a penny in fiction but impossible in reality.

It's for those of us who like to have a nice game of pretend.

>>15913432
>>15913442
Yes, reason is a crucial part of 'falling in love with somebody.' I could not love anyone I didn't respect, and I don't respect losers. This is especially important if they'd change your ability to compete in a worldwide economy; garbagemen don't have great job flexibility.
I've actually dealt with a lot of real world relationships, and I'm glad that I do the dumping when a girl is a loser.
>>15913469
He IS a waste of a person. We have 6 billion plus people on this Earth, we don't need more people living just for the sake of fucking. People should have goals or their lives are literally without meaning.

>>15913071
continuing where anon left off, maybe then you faggots will stop bitching and trolling and just BAAWWWWWWWWW

>>15913545
You are pathetic, seriously.

>>15913545
I don't think you know what love is

it's not like he would stay a garbage man forever you know. People get new jobs. Tomoya can't do shit on his own because he is a loser, but with Tomoyo supporting him he could man the fuck up a bit and strive for something better.

>>15913545

He did have a goal. His goal was to be happy. He succeeded in his goal.

What I think you're trying to say is that his goal should somehow involve the betterment of society, in which case I'd beg to disagree. My goal in life is the same: I want to be as happy as I can before I croak. If that involves becoming a doctor and curing cancer, great. If it involves a garbage truck and a girl with long hair and glasses, fine.

Again, though, this is falling into the domain of personal opinion. The fact of the matter is, she's happy with him, so if you consider her feelings (which I'm hoping you would), it's not a waste. If you think you can somehow make her happier than him, maybe because you have more money, or maybe because you think your life is more important, you're welcome to try, but she's the one who gets to be the judge of whether her life is "wasted" on him or not.

>>15913587
Ok. Isn't it time for you to leave? Your shift manager at McDonalds called you in, you better get going if you want to be able to pay your rent.
>>15913590
Love is over-rated. Relationships should be based on facts, and emotional entanglements should be buried if they're not beneficial to a person.

Knowing when all-consuming feelings should be followed, and when they should repressed is a sign of maturity.

>>15913656
You are a sad person.

>>15913647
Why don't you just smoke your weed and get it over with, then?
Hedonism is a sin, along with impotence.
Tomoya certainly doesn't reflect me, nor do I find many anime characters that I can relate to. That said, I think everyone should attempt to better themselves, and anime characters which are happy being mediocre don't help anyone. It's no secret that media has a big influence on the development of people, even grown ones.

>>15913733
You're supposed to say 'would you like fries with that?'

Nobody stays in their first job for their whole life.

Tomoya could easily get a decent job with a bit of effort.

e.g do the garbage man shit till he can get a car. work in a warehouse, drive a forklift, do that long enough and then eventually get into the office as a trainee supervisor and become a supervisor. bam, fairly decent office job. could even become a manager after awhile.

>>15913742

1) Talk all you like about bettering one's self, but the world needs blue-collar workers.
2) Sin is for christfags.

>>15913821
;;_;;

I would have rather he'd lived.

>>15913800
It's not about him being a garbageman. He is a garbageman because he has no motivation, which disqualifies your latter argument.
This is what pisses me off so much, along with him being a protagonist.

>>15913818
I'm not a christfag, I was quoting claymore. fag.

>this thread