Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  hotline can do lots of cool things
Bill Redford :  ohhh, so how do people get away with "Pirating" stuff and what kind of stuff do they steal?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  Well
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  I honestly don't do any of the pirating
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  but most people place pirated software on their servers for other users to download
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  because hotline is a proprietary protocol, it is harder for most normal governmental agencies to track
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  because they assume people use ftp or irc, or nntp or standard net protocols to do that kinda stuff
Bill Redford :  oh, I don't understand what exactly you just said there.  proprietary protocol?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  yeah
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  a protocol that only a select few programmers actually know how it works
Bill Redford :  so that stuff is easier to catch when stealing?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  well not necessarily
Bill Redford :  ok, would you mind going into more depth with the government stuff?  Do people really get caught by the government?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  yes people get caught, but only because hotline communications sets up traps to catch people doing things like that
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  such as disguised servers
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  and having users go from server to server logging ips
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  and reporting them to isps
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  Bill Redford : does that answer your questions?
Bill Redford :  I know you probably don't want to give away to much information but could you elaborate on that a bit more.  
Bill Redford :  I only have a few more
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  hmmm
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  What part do you need me to elaborate on?
Bill Redford :  thw whole "trap" thing a bit more
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  well
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  HL Comm runs several disguised servers, and when users connect looking for warez, the ips are logged and sent to isps with full documentation on what they were doing illegal
Bill Redford :  so if they "login" these traps take down there IP number and sends it to their ISP?  But they'll only get in trouble if they download something?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  well, yes and no
Bill Redford :  ?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  lots of times, the only reason someone would connect to that server is because it is listed on a tracker for only one reason, and that is warez
Bill Redford :  so they don't have to download anything?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  although, most of the time, if you don't download you aren't penalized
Bill Redford :  hmmm...so Warez is the stolen software right?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  yes
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  any software that is not to be distributed freely
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  warez is short for softwarez
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  in other words software
Bill Redford :  and you guys (hotline) start up false servers to catch people.  Do you guys steal software and put it in your server?
Bill Redford :  to attract people I mean
Bill Redford :  I'm not too keen on this whole hotline thing.  so you might have to explain some stuff
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  no
Bill Redford :  do you buy it?
Bill Redford :  I guess what I'm asking is how do you get people to come into your server
Bill Redford :  My main question was how do you get people into your servers?
Bill Redford :  Or the Traps if I may
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  They are listed on trackers
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  as well as many other user's servers as well
Bill Redford :  so do you actually work at Hotline?
Bill Redford :  or for hotline
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  kinda
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  in a way
Bill Redford :  ok, last few questions...
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  yes?
Bill Redford :  I hope you don't mind these...but, .
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  no
Bill Redford :  what's your name
Bill Redford :  and your age
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  Tony
Tech 1.7.2 FI:   40
Bill Redford :  hmmm...
Bill Redford :  The whole government thing really intrigues me, I can't believe this little prgram could go that far.
Bill Redford :  Are their people on the government on Holine?
Bill Redford :  Oh ya!!!  I remember seeing something about something like SAWdyd?  what is that?
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  there may be
Tech 1.7.2 Fi:  That is a user who has gone around collecting ips of servers with warez
Bill Redford :  is that the right name of it?
Bill Redford :  SAWdyd?.


                                        Interview by Psyk0 :
                                                        playing the Part of Bill Redford
                                                                 9-22-99