MakNet (Msg. : First question MakNet (Msg. : More of an ice-breaker... MakNet (Msg. : Are beers in Australia anything like those "Foster's" commercials on American TV? (i.e. are they huge?) Mach (Msg Que: Yes. I have a can/ hinks: we have fosters here, but let me assure you it's not like Crocodile Dundee :) zarf (Msg. Qu: I have a PC why is it that when i am on the tracker looking around,Why is it that the PC users get like this blue screen on the comp..What is that all about.. MakNet (Msg. : Noah asks if you drink real aussie beer like Cooper's rather than fake aussie beer like Foster's? :-) hinks: the blue screen is a crash *** hinks is not much of a beer fan actually Agasthya (Msg: what's hinks's version of the story about why he's no longer at hotline? MakNet (Msg. : that's pretty much the biggie right there Mach (Msg Que: when did you leave? why? etc.. hinks: ok, that's a big question I'm sure everyone wants to know hinks: yeah hinks: Well, basically I was naive and got sucked into signing a bad deal hinks: and now I've lost control of Hotline <<< zarf (Msg. Questions) is now known as zarf >>> Mach (Msg Que: was there a specific incident? hinks: yes, signing the deal MakNet (Msg. : But what made you leave? hinks: I should never have gotten involved with the company MakNet (Msg. : Have you officially left? hinks: as so many people have said to me, the company ruined everything Mach (Msg Que: so you are not on leave? hinks: I mean, for starters, when was the last major update to hotline? hinks: so long ago I can't even remember MakNet (Msg. : December maybe? <<< NoDoZe [Fuck Willy!] is now known as Hinks What up! LEts us Chat! >>> zarf: the last time was when private chat was implemented hinks: that's right, I am NOT on leave as Jason Roks would have you believe zarf: that was a while ago <<< Hinks What up! LEts us Chat! is now known as NoDoZe >>> <<< b0b tHe hAx0r is now known as hinks is a fuckin dumbshit >>> Mach (Msg Que: Do you still own company shares? Was Hotline profitable for you? MakNet (Msg. : Stop changing names <<< NoDoZe is now known as Make Me Bitch! >>> hinks: yes I still own a percentage of the company (not that it does much good for me currently) <<< Make Me Bitch! is now known as FucK joo! >>> MakNet (Msg. : What were the specifics of the deal? <<< Tetsuo is now known as Tetsuo | i want a pony >>> <<< FucK joo! is now known as >>> hinks: hotline - the company - was not profitable for me MakNet (Msg. : We're serious. Keep your names. You choose Agasthya (Msg: Who owns the rights to AW? Are you still working on it? hinks: ALL of the money I earnt before the company, I have now lost due to the company MakNet (Msg. : How so? hinks: paying for flights overseas, accomodation, then legal expenses etc etc MakNet (Msg. : Oh...we see MakNet (Msg. : What are you doing now? Mach (Msg Que: legal expenses? Mach (Msg Que: speaking of which.. hinks: the company owns the rights to Hotline etc, which is why I can't work on hotline anymore Mach (Msg Que: Jason Roks accused you of stealing money, that's false, correct? <<< root is now known as FORTYoz >>> hinks: he did??? jeez hinks: there wasn't any money to steal MakNet (Msg. : Could you make a completely new client? Would that be legal? Too much work? hinks: yes a lot of people have asked me that, but hotline communications really have me screwed - I'm not allowed to compete with the company Mach (Msg Que: Do you own any of the company still? hinks: and a new client would compete with the company hinks: so not allowed to do that MakNet (Msg. : that's terrible... <<< fR3d d33 hAx0r is now known as suck my dick hinks! >>> <<< suck my dick hinks! is now known as hinks is a homo! >>> <<< hinks is a homo! is now known as hinks fucks goats! >>> hinks: that must have been someone from hotline comms :) Agasthya (Msg: heh zarf: most likly MakNet (Msg. : accd. to Roks, Hinks basically walked out on a 51% stake in the company, and still technically owns that stake... what's the real story? Mach (Msg Que: Stop msging me questions for a sec plz Mach (Msg Que: Roks also claims you encrypted all of the Hotline code, is that anoter lie? hinks: 51% is incorrect, it's less than that, and I still own it, but the problem is it doesn't do any good - I have no control over hotline, and that's what matters Mach (Msg Que: that's rough :( <<< Mach (Msg Questions) is now known as Mach >>> hinks: it's not a lie that I encrypted code, I had to, to save my butt - if I hadn't I would have had absolutely NO bargaining power and the company could screw me even further Agasthya (Msg: Is there is any consequence to competeing w/hlcomm, and if so, what it is. <<< Postal is now known as PeonBoss >>> hinks: the consequence is hl comm will most likely sue me if I do Mach: Ok, moving along Mach: this topic seems to be covered :) hinks: they've already threatened me hinks: I think now everyone who uses Hotline needs to decide whether they want the creator of hotline working on hotline, or a company that has obviously failed to deliver results Mach: Do you know what the future holds for Hotline? New protocol? Changes? <<< Fooled is now known as No it hasn't! geezus >>> <<< No it hasn't! geezus is now known as Post my damn Q's too you bastar >>> hinks: I leave it up to the users to decide that, and then take action Mach: We assume you would like to be working on Hotline again, then? hinks: let me assure you, if I ever get control of hotline again, I will be doing a MASSIVE upgrade MakNet (Msg. : Even if you aren't allowed to write a new client, can others do it? Technically, is that legal, or are we under the same "non-competition" agreement as you? hinks: yes others can do it <<< Capt'n Stupid is now known as Capt'n Stupid (hinks for presid >>> MakNet (Msg. : Do you hold a grudge against Jason Roks? <<< PeonBoss is now known as PeonBoss (I Love BadMoon) >>> hinks: I'm under non-competition because of the document I naively signed Agasthya (Msg: Please ask him if it's legal for regular people to write their own hotline clients. MakNet (Msg. : I just did :) Mach: Well what does the future hold for Hotline? Do you know what was going on before you left? hinks: I don't hold a grudge against Jason Roks, I just want him to consider giving hotline back to the person that created it, rather than keeping it to himself, where it will surely die Mach: So no upgrades are planned? hinks: I certainly can't upgrade hotline, I don't have the rights to it, and there's the non-competition thing Mach: would Jason most likely pursue legal action if you released AW and the HL source? hinks: the only way I could work on hotline again would be if every hotline user rallyed against hotline comms and convinced them to give me back the rights to hotline zarf: i will go for it! MakNet (Msg. : What can we do as users to see that that happens? hinks: I suppose you could email everyone at hotline comms and tell them what you think Mach: jason@hotlinesw.com MakNet (Msg. : Would they listen? zarf: hinks, what is your oppion of the icon lists? hinks: mak, dunno, but you can try Mach: would Jason most likely pursue legal action if you released AW and the HL source? hinks: probably Mach: People keep asking me :) hinks: most likely zarf: hinks, what is your oppion of the icon lists? Mach: (AW is Hotline's special development system) hinks: I would rather have icons transferred over the net, which would mean anyone could have their own icon without needing to get it put into an icon list, but ofcourse that won't be happening unless hotline comms can be pursuaded to give hotline back to me <<< George is now known as why don't you just leak the cod >>> MakNet (Msg. : Adam, what are you doing now, and what are your plans for the future? Are you looking for work? hinks: yeah, I'm looking for work, but it's tough because I'm not allowed to compete with the company, which REALLY limits my choices MakNet (Msg. : From Asterisk: Many people think you are lying, why should we believe you instead of Jason or Terry or the others? hinks: because I am the creator and founder of Hotline ? <<< Mach is now known as Mach (plz *no* questions) >>> MakNet (Msg. : From Sublime: If the the users decide they want you, Hinks, to do HL, will you actually update it? Will we still see 12 month gaps between updates? hinks: well, let me put it this way. How fast did hotline updated B.C. (before company) ? And then how fast did it update A.C? (after company) zarf: hinks, do you think you could realese some hotline easter eggs? Mach (plz *no: or how to get your icon? zarf: please? can they get you for that? hinks: as any long time hotline user will know, it updated very frequently, and then there was the company, and the updates ceased Agasthya (Msg: Adam, how long are you not allowed to compete with HLSW? Usually there is a time frame for these things. Mach (plz *no: ok before you bombard us with messages.. yes he just left and yes he is coming back. MakNet (Msg. : Adam is having technical problems, apparently... <<< zarf is now known as zarf (msg Qs) >>> Agasthya (Msg: Umm...I think that Adam's connection has died, please wait a few moments <<< nebrok is now known as hinks IS a technical problem >>> hinks: I'm back hinks: my modem cut out MakNet (Msg. : Yeah! <<< /\/ASCAR is now known as hotline rules!!!!! >>> MakNet (Msg. : Resume... MakNet (Msg. : IF the Hotline protocol isn't copyrighted, how can jr and the rest of the company pursue legal action? <<< hotline rules!!!!! is now known as /\/ASCAR >>> <<< Rud is now known as Give HL back to Hinks =) >>> <<< MacRulzMan is now known as Give HL Back to Hinks >>> hinks: because unfortunately I signed an agreement <<< CooMacDad is now known as Let's Give It To Hinks! >>> MakNet (Msg. : You already told us that alternate clients were legal, but what do you, personally, think of them? Good or bad? Agasthya (Msg: Adam, how long are you not allowed to compete with HLSW? Usually there is a time frame for these things. <<< Mentos [obviously sexy] is now known as Mentos [HL4Hinks] >>> <<< Imagine is now known as Immy [hoozyurdaddy?] >>> hinks: Agasthya - indefinitely, while the company exists <<< Agasthya (Msg. Questions) is now known as Agasthya (no q's please) >>> hinks: I think anyone who wants to do their own client - go for it, I wish I could do a new one too Mach (plz *no: stop changing your names! Agasthya (no : Is it legal for you to help someone making an alt. client? hinks: no, agreement specifically says I can't even help or work for people who are competing zarf (msg Qs): hinks, do you think you could realese some hotline easter eggs? also, someone wants to know if you read over the contract before signing it. hinks: it's pretty restrictive <<< Burgr is now known as Burgr will use hx >>> MakNet (Msg. : Arlo makes a powerful statement to you: hinks, me and the other old-timers (you know who we are!) stand by you 100% and will do whatever we can to see you vindicated in this ultimate example of pseudo-corporate lameness hinks: thanks for your support, I'm glad someone cares <<< Terry Gregory is now known as fUCK jOO aLL! Hinks SuxOr mah >>> <<< milt0n is now known as corps. will screw u >>> MakNet (Msg. : Someone asked: What is the deal behing the easter egg with the song that says something like this "did you ever wonder when your mom kisses you goodnight if she just gave your dady a blowjob" hinks: zarf - yes I read the contract, but you know how it is, legal mumbo jumbo, I should have gotten proper advice before Mach (plz *no: interesting: a show of support from the users, a show of immaturity from Hotline Comm staffers zarf (msg Qs): yea zarf (msg Qs): that is really ugly, hinks Agasthya (no : Adam, What is the deal behing the easter egg hoozyurdaddy Mach (plz *no: Anyone interesting easter eggs in general? hinks: it's just an amusing easter egg, probably out of taste :) hinks: there aren't any more eggs, all of them have been found MakNet (Msg. : Did you like the song? Is that why you put it in? MakNet (Msg. : Or it made you chuckle, at least? hinks: it made me chuckle, but probably shouldn't have put it in, oh well :) MakNet (Msg. : question from Human: why did it take you 12 months to relay the truth (that you had left the company) to us? hinks: I was pretty upset, I was mostly offline for a long time MakNet (Msg. : Does the contract you signed cover ALL Internet software, or just the Hotline protocol? zarf (msg Qs): what was the benifit to you in the contract? hinks: mak - anything that competes with the company, which means any internet software basically hinks: the benefit was owning shares in the company, but as I've discovered that means jack if you don't have any control over the company zarf (msg Qs): hinks, can those faithfull hotline users who payed for hotline and got 1 or 2 realeses sue hotline comm for not pursuing to create hotline? Mach (plz *no: we wish :/ <<< Agasthya (no q's please) is now known as Agasthya (Msg. Questions) >>> hinks: I doubt it Mach (plz *no: Hinks: the obvious dumb one: boxers of briefs? <<< mBot! is now known as hinks rulez j00r ass >>> hinks: heh the latter but I should probably change to boxers, gotta keep that sperm count up :) MakNet (Msg. : In your honest opinion, do you think Hotline Communications can hold up as a company without you? hinks: I think they'll eek out a living, probably won't do well, but just enough to survive and keep me locked up in the contract zarf (msg Qs): from a user: if he's not gonna get control of hotline back, why doesn't he settle w/ Hotline Comm, let them have the source, but be released from his contract? also, if you are holding the source how can there be any updates? MakNet (Msg. : ARE you holding the source? Is it encrypted still? <<< avatar del Raritan afk is now known as avatar del Raritan >>> <<< DangerMouse is now known as Good Point! >>> hinks: I answered that before, yes I'm holding the source, and I have to otherwise I would have zilcho bargaining power <<< Ryan is now known as Will hotline ever have video? >>> Mach (plz *no: Last time: STOP CHANGING YOUR NAMES PLZ zarf (msg Qs): you should try to get back in and then run out Jason MakNet (Msg. : What exactly is the AW? hinks: it's a programming library that HL uses Agasthya (Msg: Any features that you wanted to put it, but didn't have the chance? MakNet (Msg. : FromeDome asked a question that made me chuckle: does ukka ever masturbate or sing odd songs while at work? Just thought I'd share it :) hinks: threaded news, file lists like the finder, icons xfered over the net, multistyle text, new toolbar the list goes on hinks: client-to-client file xfers zarf (msg Qs): Do you still own the rights to AW? zarf (msg Qs): Do you still own the rights to AW? hinks: mak - I think I'll let people guess the answer to that one :) hinks: no the company owns the rights to both HL and AW MakNet (Msg. : Hehee :) MakNet (Msg. : how about Jason or Terry's side of the story? Would you be willing to have a little "discussion" of what happened with either one of them if they agrreed to it and we hosted it? Mach (plz *no: we'll provide the riot gear :) <<< rock-man is now known as take it to J. Springer hinks >>> hinks: I've emailed jason, I asked them why don't shutdown hotline comms and start up a new company and leave me out of it? MakNet (Msg. : and what did they say? hinks: I mean if they really think they've got something, why don't they shutdown hl comms and put their effort into a new company? hinks: makes sense to me hinks: but jason just doesn't get it hinks: I asked him to give me a reason as to why that wasn't an option hinks: he couldn't <<< CodeWarrior is now known as HINKS YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR!!! >>> Mach (plz *no: any dirt on hotline's new products? cashier.. radar hinks: said he couldn't follow my logic <<< NoDoZe is now known as NoDoZe (Supports Hinks) >>> Mach (plz *no: STTTOOOPP CHANGING NAMES <<< Sam Powers is now known as Sam Powers (GO HINKS!!) >>> zarf (msg Qs): you people are going to loose name privs <<< CodeWarrior is now known as HINKS YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR!!! >>> hinks: I don't know anything about their new products hinks: what am I lying about? Mach (plz *no: that's fooled again MakNet (Msg. : You'd have to ask him that :) MakNet (Msg. : When, officially, did you leave the company? <<< oo is now known as Fooled >>> hinks: I don't know how official it is, but I left in March Mach (plz *no: here comes Yukka... MakNet (Msg. : Many people want to know whether or not you've seen www.hotlineswsucks.com. What do you think about it? Agasthya (Msg: What if you forget the PW to the source, is it lost forever? hinks: haven't seen it, but I'll definitely check it out :) <<< ??? is now known as >>> MakNet (Msg. : Do you have any advice for a shareware author who has just begun to get into contracts & signings... What to look for, what to beware of, etc.. <<< a'alzamon is now known as a'alzamon(is this macline?) >>> <<< ??? is now known as >>> hinks: yes I definitely have some advice I learnt the hard way MakNet (Msg. : Tell us hinks: and that is: DON'T GET SUCKED IN BY INVESTORS! hinks: you have to realize that you CAN succeed by yourself <<< Bill is now known as HLSW reminds me of microsoft! >>> hinks: you have to have complete confidence in yourself that you can do everything yourself, because you can <<< John is now known as ukka is a facist pigfucker! >>> hinks: work it up slowly, either yourself or with trusted friends zarf (msg Qs): PLEASE Mach (plz *no: so what do you plan to do for the future?? zarf (msg Qs): STOP CHANGING NAME Mach (plz *no: uhmm Yukka just said that this is violating your contract, btw.. hinks: you also have to realize that there are people are there ready to pounce on unsuspecting developers hinks: yeah well that is just bloody typical isn't it jason? why don't you just sue me like you guys threaten all the time? hinks: is that how you solve all your problems? <<< Lid is now known as ukka can suck my dick >>> MakNet (Msg. : Spclist (who obviously has some legal knowledge) asks: Non-compete agreements are legally limited in scope and do not hold up if they are too broad. Have you consulted legal council on the possiblilty of that clause being narrowed? hinks: I'm in the process of getting advice, but it takes time and costs money MakNet (Msg. : Mentos Asks: Why didn't you read about the deal first...couldn't this be avoided if you had? hinks: time and money I would rather spend developing software, not stuffing around with legal crap <<< Agasthya (Msg. Questions) is now known as Agasthya (no q's please) >>> <<< blargh is now known as eat it ukka >>> <<< Think Different is now known as ukka can only threaten you >>> hinks: yes as I said before, I should have gotten proper advice before signing the deal, but unfortunately I was rather naive and far too trusting at the time Agasthya (no : From jr: Hinks: why are ypou spreading lies, give us the source code and we will set you free of your contract, this is not the place to discuss these matters zarf (msg Qs): and btw, how does this violate your contract? <<< NoDoZe (Supports Hinks) is now known as NoDoZe (Hinks Owns HL) >>> hinks: jr - obviously that is no good, I want the rights to hotline back so I can continue to develop it <<< Vidal is now known as Fuck Joson Roks >>> hinks: I think the users would agree with me I should fight to get the rights back to hotline to continue developing it, not accept your lousy offer which basically puts me out of the scene and you in control of hotline <<< Misha is now known as Misha >>> Mach (plz *no: Please stop changing names. it's immatue <<< CberTrap is now known as CyberTrap >>> hinks: next q zarf (msg Qs): how does this violate your contract? Mach (plz *no: Yukka is from slip166-72-219-137.ny.us.ibm.net, which seems fake, btw hinks: and JR - why is this not the place to discuss these matters? because you don't want the users to know ? Agasthya (no : It's not jr zarf (msg Qs): a user asks: how about a denial of service attack on hl comm? <<< sdf is now known as CodeToad >>> hinks: I think mailing hl comms and letting them know what you think would be more effective MakNet (Msg. : LIME will setup a web page for doing this later in the week MakNet (Msg. : What does AW stand for? hinks: AppWarrior MakNet (Msg. : Why is your name still on the Hotline Software when you get it? Is the company too lazy to change it? hinks: next q <<< Agasthya (no q's please) is now known as Agasthya (Questions) >>> zarf (msg Qs): is there a possibility of them releasing you from the contract if you give them the source code? if so, why not give it to them and write a new and better piece of software froms cratch since you want to rewrite hotline anyways? hinks: yeah and I am still listed as president on the web page, I asked jason to change but, but apparently they like my name there MakNet (Msg. : Surprise... Mach (plz *no: gee that's honest zarf (msg Qs): from a user: please ask what hinks thinks of princess and if he would use it zarf (msg Qs): btw, i think princess is great... Agasthya (Que: Same here Mach (plz *no: I'm sure that hinks love princess, it is a fabulous client hinks: yeah as I said before, anyone who wants to write their own clients, go for it Mach (plz *no: (Princess is at http://web.cyberdream.net/products/Default.html) MakNet (Msg. : King Troll adds humorously: Do not fear, Hinks! The way Ive seen ukka smoke, he will be dead in 3 years from cancer he already sounds like all hell! MakNet (Msg. : Is he a smoker? Mach (plz *no: or a drinker? hinks: yes jason and david bordin are both smokers hinks: they regularly stunk the whole office out MakNet (Msg. : eew! Mach (plz *no: bah! the princess url is wrong hinks: next q Mach (plz *no: http://web.cyberdream.net/website/products/princess.htm MakNet (Msg. : http://hx.apollonet.net/ for alternate clients, also. Mach (plz *no: Hinks> how do you get your icon? zarf (msg Qs): do they smoke cigs or pot? or both? Mach (plz *no: and I was told to mention NetExpress MakNet (Msg. : lol hinks: my icon is secret :) hinks: what's NetExpress ? Mach (plz *no: another alternate client developed by Rudy, who is in attendance hinks: great Mach (plz *no: what do you think of FirstClass or Coma as alternatives to Hotline? hinks: FC is a bit dated, but then again, it does have features HL doesn't, like mail hinks: what's Coma ? <<< heh is now known as hinks and yukka =gay lovers >>> MakNet (Msg. : Is AW something like PowerPlant? Mach (plz *no: One of the other 5,000 client server packages being developed :) hinks: IC hinks: yes AW is like PowerPlant <<< Listen is now known as Tan >>> <<< hinks and yukka =gay lovers is now known as hinks and yukka having love spa >>> MakNet (Msg. : Whats was the orignal reason for making hotline? Where you bored? WHAT!? hinks: I hated using FTP hinks: so I made hotline MakNet (Msg. : Since you are still listed as the contact for all the HotlineSW domains, why don't you just cut them off? (From Rudy) hinks: and threw in chat, news, messaging etc hinks: the contact is adam@hotlinesw.com no? I can't send mail via hotlinesw.com Mach (plz *no: tell internic hinks: actually I did cut it off when I left, but jason got it changed somehow MakNet (Msg. : You make it sound like you'd be willing to release the code in exchange for release from your contract. Is this true? Is that all you want from Jason and the company? hinks: I was the one who paid for the domain tho <<< blargh is now known as jason sux cox >>> hinks: mak - I want HL Comms to give me back the rights to Hotline so I can continue developing it zarf (msg Qs): hinks, how has all this affected your personal life? Have you become a bitter person, or are you able to get on with life with a reasonable amount of clarity and sanity? hinks: and to give it back to me with no strings attached Mach (plz *no: both of which are much overrated hinks: zarf - well I've tried not to become bitter, but this hotline mess is really stressing it zarf (msg Qs): yea MakNet (Msg. : Is it true that you still own over half the shares? If so, are you still the president? Mach (plz *no: have you and yukka talked lately? zarf (msg Qs): i feel for you majorly, man MakNet (Msg. : ...technically? <<< MG is now known as hah mentos got banned >>> hinks: fully diluted, I do not own over half the shares, I own under half the shares, but the point is that help much if you don't have control over the company <<< hah mentos got banned is now known as MG >>> hinks: next q MakNet (Msg. : What was your eaact reason for leaving the company? MakNet (Msg. : eaact = exact <<< berCynic is now known as Boffo, baby... yeah. >>> hinks: because it simply was not working Mach (plz *no: when did you and yukka last talk? hinks: via email, not that long ago MakNet (Msg. : How do you hold shares in the company, when it isn't even publically traded? <<< WellConnected-AWAY-NO MSG is now known as WellConnected >>> Mach (plz *no: people keep asking: What wasn't working? Specifically hinks: a private company can have shares zarf (msg Qs): Will you be starting any new projects or companies any time soon? hinks: well for starters, when was the last major update to hotline? <<< rorschach is now known as You are not allowed to 0wn rors >>> Mach (plz *no: uhmmmm... a looonnng time ago hinks: as I said, I can't just start a new project because of the non-competition thing Mach (plz *no: so long ago that hx has gained cult status zarf (msg Qs): but start a ne one zarf (msg Qs): er..new, not hotline zarf (msg Qs): some other program Mach (plz *no: where are you working now, in other words? hinks: any internet product competes with hotline, and according to the agreement I signed, I'm not allowed to do that zarf (msg Qs): wow <<< Deadfish is now known as a cool Boffo Guy >>> MakNet (Msg. : From Nabster: Why do you care so much about Hotline anyway? Supposedly you never made a profit, and you've had problems with co-workers...I don't understand why you're so down in the pits because you're not heading a company in a downward spiral. <<< shag is now known as ror for president in '98! >>> hinks: Why do I care about hotline? Because look how many people turned up today, on hotline, using hotline. There's a community here, and I think it's worth supporting zarf (msg Qs): yea MakNet (Msg. : What is your opinion of people such as Beau Belgrave taking over coding Hotline? Or at least, becoming programmers at the comnapy? zarf (msg Qs): i feel bad for you, we are going to petition Mach (plz *no: because Hotline is one of the few places left with a real sense of community <<< ziggy [zzz] is now known as ziggy [quake-tf] >>> <<< ukka is now known as The fucking tool who screwed hi >>> zarf (msg Qs): hinks, if the domain is legally yours, point it to www.hotlineswsucks.com to make them mad zarf (msg Qs): hehe <<< Agasthya (Questions) is now known as Agasthya (plz *no* questions) >>> hinks: I can't send email via the address the domain is registered to MakNet (Msg. : If you've asked for your name to be removed (which you mentioned you did, at least in the case of the website), can you legally prosecute for illegal actions due to the fact that your name remains on the website and the product? Mach (plz *no: call internic zarf (msg Qs): call internet and have them foward www.hotlinesw.com to www.hotlineswsucks.com MakNet (Msg. : Asterisk asks <<< Demon is now known as Mr. Hinkley >>> MakNet (Msg. : Sorry... MakNet (Msg. : Answer previous question first hinks: I could probably prosecute, but it's really not my style. I don't want to get involved in litigation etc, I'm just a software developer <<< Mr. Hinkley is now known as Demon >>> MakNet (Msg. : Asterisk asks: "You are bad-mouthing HL Comm so bad you might even kill it just because of this chat. Can you live with that, think about it?" zarf (msg Qs): from a user: I thought contracts like this were illegal. Isn't stemming competitevness violate free enterprise? hinks: Asterisk - after what HL Comms has done to me, taken away the only project I really cared about, I don't care what happens to the company Mach (plz *no: :( zarf (msg Qs): go hinks! hinks: zarf - in some states it's illegal, california I think, but the agreement was not signed in california MakNet (Msg. : Eon asks (would this be legal?): "I understand that you cannot create another internet program as it is a violation of contract. So how about you release the source code to some trusted individuals and have them finish the program under your consent and supervision, as a joint effort. =P" <<< MG is now known as HINKS, I HAVE an IDEA >>> <<< HINKS, I HAVE an IDEA is now known as MAKE A NEW PRODUCT >>> <<< MAKE A NEW PRODUCT is now known as SOMETHING LIKE HL >>> <<< SOMETHING LIKE HL is now known as BUT NOT HL >>> hinks: eon - technically that would be illegal as well <<< BUT NOT HL is now known as =) >>> MakNet (Msg. : Was Hotline the first program you made? <<< =) is now known as MG. >>> hinks: first major/real program MakNet (Msg. : Users want to know how old you are and what you look like? MakNet (Msg. : Why haven't we seen a pic of you? <<< MG. is now known as MG >>> <<< Immy [hoozyurdaddy?] is now known as Immy [let rorshaft chat] >>> hinks: well, I've got muscles like swarzenegger.... umm, maybe not :) <<< MakNet (Msg. Questions) is now known as MakNet >>> Mach (plz *no: he's 19 hinks: nope <<< Mach (plz *no* questions) is now known as Mach >>> MakNet: Please stop messaging us questions now. MakNet: Well, tell us! zarf (msg Qs): hinks, somoen wants to know if your single hinks: I am hinks: no love letters plz :) zarf (msg Qs): hehe MakNet: Did you resign as a board member of the company? hinks: don't think I have <<< b0b tHe hAx0r is now known as rorschach is your savior! >>> zarf (msg Qs): don't worry hinks, you don't need love letters to know we love you. we want you back with HLSL zarf (msg Qs): er...HLSW hinks: noo I don't want to be back there, I just want get to hotline, the product back so I can keep developing it <<< ror for president in '98! is now known as LONG LIVE HL Serial Generator!? >>> <<< LONG LIVE HL Serial Generator!? is now known as shag >>> MakNet: Is the ability to have icon lists coded into the win version of Hotline? If so, will the info. ever be released to access it? zarf (msg Qs): whatever you want.. hinks: no, win vers can't do icon lists zarf (msg Qs): we just want you programming hotline like the good ole days MakNet: jr is big into his "Warez letter" these days. Do you think the ease oftransfering of warez via Hotline will put another nail in the coffin for Mac software developers? hinks: yeah, the "good ole days", a return to the good ole days would be heaven :) <<< sn0 is now known as sn0 >>> hinks: I haven't seen his warez letter zarf (msg Qs): hinks- the days before a tracker, THAT was a community hinks: true <<< bsc is now known as bsc [r0r oWn3z j00] >>> zarf (msg Qs): Please tell hinks that: zarf (msg Qs): zarf (msg Qs): "I plan on talking to my father about this matter. He is a lawyer here in Los Angeles and could be helpful as this is he speciality. I would really like to know whether this contract may be voided or not. It seems to me that either way you cut it you're f****d." MakNet: Tell him who that's from zarf (msg Qs): i forget MakNet: I think Eon zarf (msg Qs): whoever that is from, message me! zarf (msg Qs): yea zarf (msg Qs): Eon <<< korben is now known as korben [own3d by rorscach] >>> MakNet: What's the future of Hotline, Adam? hinks: I think it's what the users make it MakNet: Especially if you never release the source code? MakNet: If that happens, are we stuck on 1.2.3 forever? zarf (msg Qs): hinks- everyone wants to know your age zarf (msg Qs): please, they are desperate hinks: the users can pressure the company into giving me the rights to hotline back, and then the future is, well I'm sure you can think what a HL 2.0 or 3.0 would be like :), OR, you can stick with a company that has failed to deliver results <<< bs-Mob Hit #1 is now known as RoR is your savior children >>> MakNet: So it's petition...or 1.2.3 forever? zarf (msg Qs): petition! hinks: I'd say so Mach: well then <<< Fox Mulder - QUAKE is now known as MAKE HOTLINE 3.0 FUCK ! >>> MakNet: Some people feel this is a one-sided chat. What is your response to them? <<< korben [own3d by rorscach] is now known as korben [own3d by rorschach] >>> Mach: We will put up a petition on our web page.. the url will be posted soon hinks: mak - my response to them is, hello jason or whoever it is from HL Comms :) <<< iElusive (rain is cool) is now known as iElusive >>> Mach: If you are interested, Jason's side of the story is in the chat on omnimac.apollonet.net hinks: alright, last 2 "most wanted" questions before I go, I'm 20 and my email address is hinks@netspace.net.au, oh no, I'm gonna get spammed :) zarf (msg Qs): heh zarf (msg Qs): with love letters zarf (msg Qs): watch out.. hinks: thanks for coming everyone! zarf (msg Qs): thanks for coming, hinks! <<< NƧSTR is now known as Thank YOU >>> <<< MAKE HOTLINE 3.0 FUCK ! is now known as Fox Mulder >>> hinks: and thanks for your support MakNet: Thank-you to everyone for coming. We hope this was an informative experience. Mach: http://www.apollonet.net/~hx/jrlog.html MakNet: The petition will be on our web page within a few days hinks: cya round Mach: We wish Adam the best in the future, as I'm sure the Hotline community does. <<< Lethal Intelligence Extasy is now known as PROTECT sw dvlpmt FOREVER >>> <<< Dash is now known as We Need a newHOTLINE >>> MakNet: http://lime.mindvision.com/ MakNet: Bye Adam!