Tacker: bob (Bob) Subject: regarding .. application servers Date: 02-Jan-04 02:01:13 Heh, our techs go one better ... not only is your birthday your initial pass, but there are big signs up saying "if that doesn't work try 'qwerty' " ... oh, and numerous dept. passwords are fixed as the one you were given at the start of the year by being shown a piece of paper with the whole classes user:passes on, because you don't have the rights to change them ... Did I mention the Novell directory admin tools left usable by anyone on a public share, which they probably think is safe because they've policy-edited away explorer, cmd.exe and file:// URLs in IE? Sigh. Bob