Path: rQ!rQdQ!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newshub.nntp.mr.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.belnet.be!newshub.bart.net!news.bart.net!news.bart.net!not-for-mail From: Snorri Helgarsson Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.clearing.technology,alt.scientology Subject: NOTs part 4 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:14:38 -0500 Organization: bART Internet Services Lines: 1001 Message-ID: <36E43DBE.3F557753@nym.cypherpunks.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.2005.bart.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: freyja.bart.nl 920905791 18826 194.158.161.8 (8 Mar 1999 15:09:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@bart.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Mar 1999 15:09:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: rQ alt.religion.scientology:548484 alt.clearing.technology:68690 HCOB 4.10.78 Attachment FLOW ASSESSMENT SHEET ------------- (Body Part) --------------------- ------------- (Pre-OT name) (Date) --------------------------------------------------------- F0 INFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F0 OUTFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F1 OUTFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F1 INFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F2 INFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F2 OUTFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F3 INFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- F3 OUTFLOW --------------------------------------------------------- NO FLOW ON F0 --------------------------------------------------------- NO FLOW ON F1 --------------------------------------------------------- NO FLOW ON F2 --------------------------------------------------------- NO FLOW ON F3 --------------------------------------------------------- LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 5 OCTOBER 1978 NED for OTs Series 29 C O N F I D E N T I A L REST POINTS While it is not desirable to end off any major RD or pgm before it is completed, for practical purposes when public are getting audited at an AO or Flag, they may not be able to complete the whole of NED for OTs RD due to economic reasons or time available. In such an instance their auditing can be safely ended on any rest point on the Pgm or Checklist; such as one of the minor EPs of the RD, on any major win for the Pre-OT, or on completion of a Checklist (Pgm) Step. Such a Pre-OT must be told that the full NED for OTs RD is not complete, and told not to receive other auditing. And a return date set up for when the Pre-OT will return to the Org to complete the RD. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II NED for OTs Series 30 C O N F I D E N T I A L PROGRAM DEPARTURES As with any major grade or RD, there should not be any departures from the Pgm. This is especially true on any powerful RD such as this one. It would be completely forbidden to go off Pgm on NED for OTs and run something else. By something else is meant grades, or part of another RD, or some other type of auditing. This hasn't been done but the consequences would be disastrous. This is mentioned to ensure that no one ever does this. There is the exception of a Touch Assist or a Contact Assist but never a Dianetic Assist for sure. Q AND A You can start handling a somatic and make the mistake of leaving it incomplete. You can also make a mistake on mass One and it goes over into mass Two. This gives a general rule: NEVER GET MORE THAN ONE MASS OR CATEGORY ACTIVE, AND ALWAYS COMPLETE TO AN EP THE MASS OR CATEGORY STARTED BEFORE GOING ON TO ANOTHER MASS OR CATEGORY. HAVINGNESS Don't run havingness during the RD, it beefs BTs up and makes them tougher to blow. BTs and clusters are packed in tight in a total non-confront. What a guy can't confront, he is either obsessively having, or the opposite - he has a Can't Have on it. BTs are in Can't Have, Waste, or below, they don't respond to HAVE, they mostly respond to BE. Allergies are based on Can't Have and Waste, and BTs are in a total Can't Have, so NED for OTs properly run will probably cure some allergies. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 16 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE III NED for OTs Series 31 C O N F I D E N T I A L THE THETAN HAND TECHNIQUE There's another process of getting rid of BTs and clusters. It is not always that magnificient but it is sometimes functional. What you do is mock up a "thetan hand" and using the edge of it as a sort of knife, you pass it between the body and black masses and sever them off. These masses are attached to the body by strings or lines or suction cups or beams. You sever the line or string holding them to the body. Sometimes the mocked up hand departs with them, because after all it was mocked up and it would of course vanish. COMPOSITE MASSES AND LAYERED CLUSTERS You use this technique - the "thetan hand" - to separate ridges and masses, or to split up opposite masses. Two or more ridges may be jammed together into a mass, sometimes there are layers upon layers of clusters. Pass the "thetan hand" between them, between two ridges, or masses or layer of clusters to sever the connection and split them up into separate pieces, which can then be blown, one piece at a time. COMPLETELY UNRESPONSIVE MASSES Sometimes you will encounter a mass that is so inert that it won't even come into communication with "Hello and OK". Such masses may have to be thrown off physically, using a mocked up hand. The Pre-OT simply takes the mass and physically throws it off. And then throws away the mocked up hand too - so there is no connection or line back to the body. This has been referred to as the "yo-heave" technique, and while it isn't particularly of benefit to BTs and clusters, it is a way of getting rid of a completely unresponsive mass when all else fails. Such unresponsive masses are not that common. Most commonly, any difficulties in blowing BTs and clusters come fom (a) over-restimulation due to too long a session, (b) overrun session EP (F/N TA), (c) lack of sleep or tiredness of the Pre-OT, or (d) a deficiency of Calcium or Vitamin B1. Those are the most common reason for difficulty and are easily remedied. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 29 OCTOBER 1978 ISSUE II NED for OTs Series 32 C O N F I D E N T I A L CHRONIC SOMATICS, MISSED BTs If a chronic somatic doesn't resolve there are missed BTs and clusters causing it. There are several ways in which BTs and clusters can be missed or overlooked. First of all is by the Pre-OT thinking that the mass he perceives is the body when it actually is the mass of BTs and clusters. Next there is the BT or cluster producing a somatic in another part of the body, or influencing another part of the body. Have the Pre-OT trace back from the picture or somatic to the BT or cluster. The Pre-OT can do this even though the BTs and clusters are generally confused about whose picture is whose. As the Pre-OT looks for where the BT or cluster is the meter will read and the auditor can steer the Pre-OT and help him find the position in the body of that BT or cluster. Some BTs and clusters are hiding, secretive, being invisible, hidden or withdrawn. Ask the Pre-OT to look for BTs and clusters in each of these categories and blow them. Be sure to complete handling one category before taking up another category or you'll get over-restimulation and a beef up. Then there is the BT or cluster holding other BTs and clusters in or one BT or cluster holding other BTs or clusters compressed or suppressed. Handle the BT or cluster doing this first, then the others will blow off easily. When a very small mass is activated it will increase insize before blowing - there can be a thousand or two BTs in such a mass and sometimes these explode apart as they blow. Although the mass becomes very heavy when it is activated, it's not a big BT, it's a lot of little BTs, under suppression. You can run into a cluster causing damage to the body, and after blowing this cluster, you then look for and handle other BTs and clusters who were copying it, or stuck in pictures of the damaged area and held in it or holding onto it. There are BTs and clusters who are refusing to make pictures, as well as BTs and clusters obsessively making pictures. These need to be looked for and handled. Some BTs and clusters are being inert masses and don't seem to respond until put into communication and could be missed unless the Pre-OT were asked to look for BTs and clusters being inert masses; BTs and clusters being dead or who think they are dead; being MEST; being molecules. The Pre-OT may think he/she has an aura. An aura actually is a collection of BTs and clusters mocking up the aura - and sticking in it - as it is a highly electronic mock up. It is being mocked up by BTs and clusters and has BTs and clusters ticking in it. You may encounter something like a whole person - body and BTs and clusters that were suppressed down to nothing - you contact it as a very small mass and it increases in size to a whole body and aura, complete with BTs and clusters mocking it up and sticking in it. But that's what an aura is - a collection of BTs and clusters and that's all it is. Very small dense masses. These when activated can increase to huge size and mass knocking the Pre-OT anaten, sometimes for quite a long period of time. As the anaten comes off, the mass will start to disintegrate. The anaten is the "glue" that holds them together and when the anaten runs out, the BTs and clusters will blow off easily. The Pre-OT can work on cleaning out a body part or area of BTs and clusters and get the area looking clean. Then you have the Pre-OT look inside or behind or on the other side of bones or organs or ridges in the area to find BTs and clusters. Unless you have the Pre-OT look inside or behind or on the other side ,these would be missed or overlooked. In one instance a somatic didn't start to resolve until this action was done. BTs and clusters can be conditions (as different from being a terminal) - conditions that they associate with the body - whatever the body can do, e.g. a being who was bieng "unconsciousness". So have the Pre-OT look for BTs or clusters being body conditions. A BT or cluster can believe that he is his own picture - or somebody else's picture for that matter. A picture that is hard to blow is probably composed of BTs and clusters being the objects in the picture, e.g. a picture of a field with a tree and a cow in it. The tree is a being being a tree, there's a being being a cow and a being being a field. Together these beings compose the picture. Or you could have one being being a pole trap and another thetan who came along and stuck to the pole trap. So if a picture is hard to blow, check for BTs and clusters being the objects of which the picture is composed. And when you have blown the original beings also blow off any who stuck to it. Phrases such as "a man of my kidney", "got no spine", "got to have spine", "no stomach for it", confuse BTs and clusters in those body parts and play a role in pinning them in. You may run into such phrases or cliches when asking the What? Who? questions. Just acknowledge and repeat the What? Who? question. Probably the root of sickness or psychosomatics is in negative beingnesses. BTs and clusters being the negative of a body part, such as "a no hand" or "a no stomach", "a no body", etc. When you ask the What? Who? questions you'll run into answers such as "no hand", then it will flip to the positive "hand", before blowing. These negatives come about from intentions to obliterate - so they become a "no ________". They tend to act as a negative terminal to a positive terminal and thus keep things pinned down. After you've cleaned up a somatic area of all BTs and clusters in it and being it and hidden "behind", have the Pre-OT look for these negative beingnesses. Some chronic somatics depart very fast and don't return. These are almost miracle in nature. Other chronic somatics gradually lessen and can disappear in the course of the whole Rundown. So don't despair if you don't get an instant alleviation of the chronic somatic but just keep on with the Rundown and don't specialize in chronic somatics. Also be very cheered up when you hit an instant disappearance of one. Both conditions can exist in the same Pre-OT on different chronic somatics. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 11 NOVEMBER 1978 NED for OTs Series 33 C O N F I D E N T I A L PERIMETER MASSES Later on the NED for OTs Rundown you will run into a phenomenon where the Pre-OT has been limiting his attention to masses on or in the body, and not putting his attention out on the perimeter. The Pre-OT in shifting his wavelength of attention down to the wavelength of BTs and clusters, will end up getting a wavelength shift down to theirs. ATTRACTION OF ATTENTION By putting attention on them, you activate them. But this will wind up with the Pre-OT being pulled down to their wavelength. The trick is to put your attention on the outer perimeter, and find something inside it, not put your attention on the something. You try to put your attention on the perimeter and your attention gets pulled into a somatic area - it's BTs and clusters pulling your attention into them. They are invisible and are trying to get attention. They have an impossible problem of trying to get attention, but can't get attention. Only their mass, or their creating a somatic would get attention. It's almost as if pictures are a trick to get attention. This factor of trying to get attention is why a thetan goes into mass. This is an explanation for life, and why a thetan picks up a body. The reason why acknowledgement works is because an acknowledgement is attention. This is attraction of attention. You try to put your attention on Point A - it is pulled back to a BT or cluster. It's a contest of trying to put your attention on the actual body, and their magnetic pull of attention onto themselves. There is also a factor of "negative attention" - they don't want attention on them and knock you unconscious if you put attention on them. A way to handle is to move such BTs and cluster back to the first time they wanted attention and they blow. PUTTING ATTENTION OUT TO PERIMETER Have the Pre-OT put his attention outward to the perimeter, or "look" toward the outer perimeter and the Pre-OT will find something inside the perimeter and you have the Pre-OT blow it off. You will by doing this encounter black mass and you can start quite a mass commotion. Have the Pre-OT look further than the perimeter of the body and he will find masses out there pushing in on the body. Handle these masses with the "What are you?", ack, "Who are you?" technique and they blow. Practically all somatics respond this way - the BT or cluster out there is keeping a bone or the body in a state of distortion. BTs or clusters can turn on a kind of "fluid" which is painful when it touches the body, it's not that they are in an incident that has that somatic, they exude this "fluid" and when it hits the body it's painful. If you lift your attention beam and put it out, they'll tend to follow your attention beam, and sometimes come halfway out. If the Pre-OT's body is up against a folid object, the BTs and clusters can get stuck in the object (suck as a chair). The idea is to have the Pre-OT look out to the perimeter, or past the perimeter and contact masses out there, that are pushing in on the body. blow these off with the "What are you?", ack, "Who are you?" technique. It is really remarkable how well this works! L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 14 NOVEMBER 1978 NED for OTs Series 34 C O N F I D E N T I A L THE SEQUENCE FOR HANDLING A PHYSICAL CONDITION There is a definite sequence for handling a physical condition. All steps must be done in this sequence to fully handle the condition: 1.The item 2.The body part 3.Illness(of the body part) 4.Cures for illness 5.Protest of cures for the illness 6.The body part(again) 7.The item(again) 8.The period of illness on it(Cluster-making incident) Step One - The Item The item producing the physical condition. This could be "dust" as an irritant. Or "poison", "bad food", "paint fumes", etc. The item is handled by finding and blowing off BTs and clusters who are: (a) being the item (b) resisting the item The item will then cease to read. Step Two - The Body Part The body part affected by the item. E.g. for the item "dust" the body part was "lungs". For "poison" or "bad food" the body part could be "stomach." On this step you handle BTs being the body part, i.e. being "lungs". This includes the negative of BTs being "a no body part" such as "no lungs". And BTs and clusters stuck in and on the body part, or area of the body, or affecting the body part or area. When all such BTs and clusters are handled, the body part will no longer read. Step Three - Illness The next action is to handle illnesses of the body part(i.e. BTs and clusters being "sick lungs" or being a condition of an illness or disease or the body part.) "Illness of body part" will cease to read. Step Four - Cures for Illness You will now find BTs and clusters being cures for illnesses of the body part. Handle all such BTs and clusters by blowing them off. "Cures for Illness" will then cease to read. Step Five - Protest of Cures for the Illness You will now find BTs and clusters protesting cures for the illness. Blow all these off and "Protest of cures for the Illness" will cease to read. Step Six - Body Part You will find that the original body part will now be reading again. You handle all the BTs and clusters, on or in or being the body part, until they're all handled and the body part just F/Ns. Step Seven - Item Now the original item (from Step One) will be reading again and so you blow off all BTs and clusters on the item. This includes BTs and clusters with engrams on the item, BTs and clusters who have been run on the item when they didn't have that item (i.e. wrong item for them), and BTs and clusters who copied it. You may even encounter BTs who went Clear, and thought they had engrams on it when they didn't. Step Eight - Illness On It There are periods of time when the person had the physical condition, sometimes years of illness, (which due to mutual shared experience of the illness), made a cluster. This is the period of the illness or physical condition as a cluster-making incident. These are BTs and clusters who were not actually connected with the item, or illness themselves, but were made into a cluster and added on, due to the period of illness which they experienced. The above are the full steps and sequence for handling a physical condition or illness. If not done fully or omitted, the condition will recur. So all steps must be fully done in that sequence. On each step of this sequence the BTs and clusters are handled with the various techniques given for blowing them - the Valence Technique is the most usual and effective method. The item for Step One is found by asking the PreOT for what caused or produced the condition. It will most likely be the first item given by the PreOT. Be alert for getting into listing or getting an out-list. If so the most likely error is that it was the first item on the list, and this item was invalidated by going past it, or by over-listing past it, or the item was found and audited previously but not fully handled resulting in the item being suppressed or invalidated. The steps are repeated here in short form for auditor use: 1.The item 2.The body part 3.Illness(of the body part) 4.Cures for Illness 5.Protest of cures for the illness 6.The body part (again) 7.The item (again) 8.The period of illness on it (Cluster-making incident) L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 29 OCTOBER 1978 ISSUE III NED for OTs Series 35 C O N F I D E N T I A L NOTES ON PTS There are BTs who were PTS to successive persons; they went from one person to another, e.g. BT went from Pre-OT's grandfather, to Pre-PT's mother, to Pre-OT. So the Pre-OT now has BTs who were PTS to mother and grandfather. And the Pre-OT was in contact with these BTs when they were on mother, and earlier in the Pre-OT's life when the BTs were on grandfather. This transfer of BTs to successive family members causes a genetic misidentification - it convinces BTs that they are genetic. There are also BTs who went PTS to a person that they were PTS to in an earlier life or lives. They run into the same person in this lifetime and go into restim. When a person gets sick there is usually a PTS terminal to be found at the bottom of it. But the PTSness may be that of a BT or cluster which then hits the pc. Now if you went on listing this BT or cluster you would find one for sure. But it is not the PTS terminal for all of the BTs in the custer so when you finish you will have indicated the wrong PTS terminal and will have hung the remainder of the cluster with a wrong item which they will then dramatize. So don't list a BT or cluster by L & N. What you do is ask them who or what they are PTS to at which time you will probably get a blow of some of them. Then you indicate to those that didn't blow that it is a wrong item for the rest of them. You will either get the cluster blown with these two steps or the rest of them will blow by other NED for OTs processes. When running NED for OTs you will sometimes encounter the phenomenon of Pre-OT's attention fixed on or drawn to a remote point, and the Pre-OT can blow off the BT or cluster in that remote location that is drawing his attention. If the remote point is a person the Pre-OT is PTS to, you could expect an amazing change of the remote person where he or she now tries to restore communication with the Pre-OT or ends the conflict or problem. This is the phenomenon of the SP now making things right with the PTS person being handled, and is the same EP as is encountered on the New Vitality Rundown and on PTS-Problems handling when it is done fully to EP. It's not that you are trying to handle PTSness with NED for OTs, but in such an instance as described above you can expect the same EP to occur. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 22 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I NED for OTs Series 36 C O N F I D E N T I A L ROCKSLAMS An R/S means there's an Ev Purp per HCOB 10 Aug 76 ROCKSLAMS, WHAT THEY MEAN. On a Clear or above, any R/S comes from an R/Sing BT or cluster, who has and is dramatizing an Ev Purp. The handling is to locate the BT or cluster and blow it off. An R/S will probably go right down to the basic of a cumulative cluster. You would locate the offending cluster and Date/Locate down to the basic and blow the clusters and BTs off. Clusters can be pretty vicious and you get an R/Ser at the bottom of the cluster. I've even encountered a cluster that made a profession out of killing patients in hospitals - the doctors would wonder why a patient was fine and then all of a sudden take a turn for the worse and die. Full "NED of OTs" is essential for the terminated handling of R/Ses on a Clear or above. Very few BTs and clusters are vicious or vengeful, most are benign, but an R/S will go down to the basic incident of a cluster dramatizing or being an Ev Purp. These will usually be wildly out of valence and have horrendous overts and crimes down the track. To handle R/Ses, you take the statement originally reported to be R/Sing and find the position in the body of the BT or cluster connected with that R/S statement. You'll turn it back on again if you locate the position where that thing was - the R/S will come on. It's a combination of position (in the body) and the statement. Having found the BT or cluster or cumulative cluster who R/Sed, you handle it right on down to fully blown. And handle andy copies. Do this for eadh R/S statement. A major case change will occur on blowing off R/Sing Bts and clusters who have been ruining the Pre-OT's life and the lives of those around him. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED LIMITED DISTRIBUTION Advanced Courses Specialist Checksheet ACS Auditors ACS C/Ses HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex HCO BULLETIN OF 27 OCTOBER 1978 NED for OTs Series 37 C O N F I D E N T I A L COLLECTIVE IDENTITIES By Collective Identity is meant an identity as a plural or generality; e.g. "I'm the army" or "I'm us". There is no personal identity. Christian Science asserts that "All is mind, infinite mind" - that's a collective identity and will make a BT or cluster being a Christian Scientist very hard to blow. This is the reason a cluster doesn't blow, a cluster has the wrong item "us", without personal identity. So the technique of "What are you?","Who are you?" runs into trouble when you get a totally general zealot identity of "I'm the army", or "I'm Christian Scientist", "I'm us", and you don't get a blow. If you keep asking "Who?" you just get a repeat answer "us", and these collective identities won't give a blow. There's an implant on the track on the subject of "We are all one", "All is one". Someone stuck in this actually goes from the generality of "All is one" and then individuates from that! That's actually the basic definition of individuation (as different from individuality). A thetan who is "dead" acts like a cluster - there's nobody running the show - and his manifestations are those of a cluster. This is the Socialist, everyone belongs to "The State", individualism is negated, it's all "The People". TV, Drugs and Socialism are the factors that are bringing about the current deterioration of society, and with these three you can predict a super break up. You get NCG cases, or subtle NCG cases (these make only minor gain), they are a collective mass. The speed of effect of auditing would go up after an Ethics Repair List and Criminality Rundown because on the Criminality Rundown you'll get a "de-mutualization". If you have a TV and Drug culture and enter in a Welfare State you'll get this. In Communism a peron is severely punished if he shows any individuality. There are crime waves after waves which are due to a super association with Death. Then guys have seen so much Death, they consider themselves dead. It isn't that they're taught to kill, it's that by association with Death, they have become "dead" and irresponsible. Therefore as a rule, while engaging in any collective, social or organizational activity, you have to foster individuality. The collective identity as an answer from a BT or cluster will not produce a blow, because it is a wrong item. WRONG ITEMS You can always get a read on "Wrong item?" because all items are wrong - any name or identity (except "me") is a wrong item. When you've just corrected a list and you want to make sure you've got the right item, you ask if it's the correct item and it will be. If you then ask if it's and incorrect item, it will read! Because all Items (except "me") will read as wrong items. This explains how the What? Who? technique works. You ask "What?" and the answer they give you is the wrong item, you ask "Who?" and they give you the right item ("me") and blow. They go Clear on getting the right item! REPEATING ANSWERS When you encounter a repeating answer from a BT or cluster on "What?", "Who?" they won't blow, as they keep giving a wrong item. One way to handle would be using the "Yo-heave" technique of resorting to throwing them off physically. That is a "when all else fails". There is a mechanism which works whereby you can handle the repeating answer. Instead of asking "Who?" again, you ask "What were you before you became that?" - they say "me" - and blow. L. RON HUBBARD® FOUNDER LRH:dm:kjm Copyright (c) 1978 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED