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(The 7th ACC consists of half hour lectures, many of them
are already transcribed in the Phoenix Lectures book, so
this could be considered a supplemental chapter to
Phoenix lectures)
Transcript of Taped Lecture by L. Ron Hubbard
7ACC 11 - 5407C05
Dated: July 5, 1954
Title: THINGS IN TIME AND SPACE
All right! I want to talk to you now about exteriorization
by distance and it's various uses and also talk to you
about some other impulses and processes particularly
unreality as a phenomenon. Exteriorization by distance will
demonstrate to you rather clearly that the individual is
working with many parts and entities which apparently have
intelligences of their own.
Here we find applying, however, this, this very strange
thing, and that is, the restoration of self-determinism
accomplishes its goal and dispels the anxiety of these
various body parts to have themselves enormous quantities
of energy as put out by a thetan. We discover that the
individual is not exteriorizing just as much because his
stomach and feet are pulling him in as because he himself
is pulling himself to his stomach and feet and we find a
lack of self-determinism on the part of the feet and other
body parts. And we find then a resultant lack of
self-determinism on the part of the thetan.
What do we mean by self-determinism: The ability to locate
objects and energy in space and time. The degree that an
individual is able to do this, determines immediately and
directly, his self-determinism. Self-determinism can then
be mechanically classified as the ability of an individual
to locate things in space and time. Also, create space and
time in which to locate things. That's the higher echelon
of it.
But the first echelon that you will find on a preclear is
this one - ability to locate things in space and time.
Now, that is a mechanical definition of a low order for
self-determinism itself and as a result, self-determinism
is then continually and consecutively and consistently
bettered by such things as 8-C, such things as
exteriorization by distance, anything which assists the
preclear in locating things.
Now the past, as you already know, is a collection of
facsimiles in most people. It need not be. It simply need
be a memory of the past. Where he has come to depend upon
masses of energy - notebooks, dictionaries, textbooks, and
all kinds of bric-a-brac to do his remembering for him,
such as a remembering machine, he of course, has suffered
by letting them know and he didn't. You see, he says now,
"after I've written this down, now this book will know"
Well, I've taken a notebook ... I had a notebook one time
in Chinese and I kept asking it things and it wouldn't even
answer in Sanskrit. I mean it said nothing. It wouldn't
talk, it wouldn't think It wouldn't do a thing.
A mathematician, for instance, is about the silliest mass
of symbols that you ever cared to walk into in his personal
life. If any of you have had the opportunity of knowing
mathematicians in their personal life, you'll know what I'm
talking about. The individual says that he must put it
down, in terms of symbols, upon a piece of paper, in order,
and then go through a certain system, in order for him to
know anything. Well, this is very cute, isn't it? He has
to, he has to put it all down in symbols and then it has to
equate in accordance with Newton or somebody, and when all
those symbols are agreed with, then he has an answer. He
starts in with abstracts, he winds up with abstracts, and
he never really knows a thing. He can predict with
mathematics but a mathematician, in general, does not
realize that words themselves are symbols and so may be
used as a mathematics.
The best mathematics you could possibly use would be, I
mean if we got to have symbol mathematics, would be words.
Not silly things like, Q to the Phi Beta Kappa squared
equals the Gotterdamerung. Not ... it's just as nonsensical
to put a whole bunch of words down as a symbol. Why don't
you just put it down as a word. Why don't we write one
apple plus one apple bears some remote similarity to a
couple of apples. Well, that happens to be true, you see.
One plus one equals two, is not true. That's just symbols
and they've agreed upon it.
Now, they ... the location of things in time and place
would not be at its best when one was using a system to
locate things. One would be once removed immediately from
the actual location of things. Is that right? He'd be the
system removed. Let's say ... let's take this for an
example: This individual wants to find the tallest
building in town so he searches through all of his files,
he's living in this town, and he searches through all of
his files in order to discover whether or not he has a
picture of the town on a panoramic view from a nearby
mountain. And finally discovers that he doesn't have a
picture but somebody else has a picture and he tries to get
this picture but it doesn't show really, it's at the wrong
angle, so he goes down to the office, that is to say, the
office of blueprints and so forth in the city, plans and so
on, and he has the clerks there look up all kinds of things
in order to discover what building permit was issued at
what time for what building. And then he adds all these up
in columns and he keeps records of them, and so forth, and
finally discovers that it was the Whumpf building. Now
when, as a matter of fact, all he had to do was pick his
whumpf up out of a chair and go out and take a look and he
could have easily told which was the tallest building in
town. But he had to have a system. He had to have some sort
of a sort of a chain of logic which would arrive at his
answer.
Well, this is a mathematician. Any day of the week a
mathematician could look around in the universe and find
his answer, but instead of that he crouches into a body,
you know, and hunkers down real good and gets a bunch of
books and tables and slide rules, and, and so on, and
figure, figure, figure, figure. The end product of this is
nothing as dramatic as the atom bomb as they would have you
believe. The truth of the matter is, the mathematician is
nearly always after the fact. He's after the fact.
Somebody sees this thing and then the mathematician figures
it out and then it becomes true for science. You see? I
imagine if a sea serpent were to walk down the street of
Phoenix out here, if there were any mathematicians around,
they would go into the house and immediately try to figure
out if the weight of the serpent was commensurate with the
density of the concrete on which the serpent was walking.
If a zoologist were to observe this fact, he would
immediately go in and look up in his library to discover
all about this fact and some small boy down on the corner
would simply stand there and look. And by the time the
mathematician and the zoologist got all through looking it
all up and writing learned treatises on it after one fifth
of ... they probably didn't even look at it, they were told
by their housekeeper, they would then write learned papers
about it. But the truth of the matter is, if you wanted to
know anything about this sea serpent, you would have to go
find this small boy. See, he looked at the sea serpent.
Actually, you would probably find then, snide articles by
the mathematician and the zoologist about this small boy
afterwards, if his observation did not agree with the
mathematical zoological result.
This is the way life is lived by most people. They look at
something that somebody else looked at and then do a great
summation according to some system in order to discover
this situation. And what, what has been seen, this is what
they try to do. They try to find out what has been seen by
interviewing people who have read about what has been seen.
How far can you get? A system, that's how far you can get
from knowing anything. And the further you go, in terms of
a system, why the worse off it gets.
Lets take it the first system that comes to view and we
find that is the system called lookingness. And that is a
system. It's a system of knowing. We have something in the
distance, we perceive it, and having perceived it, why then
we feel we know about it. Actually, it was utterly
impossible for us to perceive anything like it unless we,
of course, had been there in the first place. We had to
know about it before we could perceive about it. The test
of this, very often you will find somebody, somebody with a
thetan comm-lag of a couple of hours, or something, and he
will see, with his eyes closed, not exteriorized yet, he
will see the room as it was a couple of hours ago. That's a
facsimile time lag. It’s nice and safe to be in the past
which is the truth of any system.
The system is the weapon of a coward who doesn't want to
look in present time and actually, actually the person who
has to look is not too well off. He doesn't have that self
confidence necessary to know before he looks. Now, we got
this look, don't think and you don't have to know before
you go, but how about this one. How about knowing before
you look. You very often you find an individual has looked
around the room with his mest eyes and then will
exteriorize and will see the room in accordance to the way
he saw it with his mest eyes. Well, he's just gotten a
little bit backwards on that. He's using his mest eyes to
tell him what to see. And this is what he's been doing this
for a long time so it's not unusual for him to do that.
Now, any system is the antithesis of self-determinism and
this goes for Scientology as well as anything else. Any
system is the antithesis of self-determinism. The
expression of self-determinism of locating things in time
and space will bring your preclear up pretty far, but the
truth of the matter is, there are higher levels to reach
than those reached simply by locating things in time and
space. But you have to be able to locate ...know by
locating things, be self-determined by locating things in
time and space before you can go upstairs and, and
otherwise.
I wish there were just a straight shortcut that didn't have
anything to do with mechanics but we discover that the
individual has fallen away from mechanics. He has decided
that mechanics were dangerous and very bad and so we get
these interesting cases that come around and say, "I am a
tone 8, I'm a tone 8", - scream, scream, scream -, "I'm
tone 8 and that's what I am, and I know everything there is
to know" - scream, scream, scream, scream -, and so forth,
and you say, "Well why don't you get some processing?"
"Well, that doesn't do anybody good, any good at all, that
doesn't do anybody any good really, when they're as high on
the tone scale as I am."
Well, we find this individual has intrical calculus of the
lumbago and all sorts of interesting diseases and they're
busy knowing and yet shunning mechanics. That is a low
order of sort of a tone scale mockery. It's down there
right close to zero. An individual is in the last throes of
this and that and so they plot out the fact that they know
a great many things without looking and so forth and if you
would check on what they knew without looking, you'd find
out it wasn't worth knowing.
But the case in point here is that the individual who is,
who is able to locate things in time in time and space, can
then graduate up to higher levels of knowingness. He has
.. this is the way he came into the room, you see. He came
into the room by a mechanical process and now he is in the
room and you want to get him out of this room. Well, it's
all right for him to stand in the middle of the room and
scream, scream, scream. "I am a tone 8" but the fact of the
matter is, he's still in the room. Nothing is more evident
to anybody than the fact that he is still in the middle of
that room. You want to get him out of that room, why, I'm
afraid you’ll have to take him out by something similar to
the same door he came in, if not the door itself, and that
is mechanics.
Well, the mechanic which a preclear can most easily touch
is this one which defines self- determinism in terms of
space and location. Now, an individual who can then easily
and well determine his location and the location of things
in time and space, of course, is then pretty well
self-determined. Now this is best done, not in terms of the
past, this is best done in terms of the present.
A person can stir his past endlessly with the
accomplishment of very little but a past is really not
terribly important. But as long as the past is a completely
lost segment to him, it is such a mystery that he is not
quite able to proceed without having some anchor point into
it. He is in a complete worry about whether or not he did
or did not murder somebody when he was nine. You very often
find a preclear, quite sane preclear, and if you ask him
very suddenly, "Did you kill anybody in this lifetime",
he'll look at you and say, "No -- wait a minute..." and you
could actually worry him frantic before you got through.
You could be as good as a psychiatrist. You could drive him
mad. Without giving him any ability to recall, whatsoever,
you keep pounding him and demanding that he recall. Then
evaluate everything that he has recalled. That would be a
sure way to pin somebody down and ruin his case.
A person, after a while, will begin to believe, yeah, well
he must have killed somebody when he was eight or nine.
It's a very peculiar manifestation. All you have to do is
keep evaluating. Play momma to the preclear, in other
words. "Why, junior, you don't remember anything like that
- we actually didn't live in that house after you were
three, we moved, we moved, you know, and you were really
too young to remember anything like that", and so on. "The
fact of the matter was, the lady who lived across the
street was named Mrs. Kean, not Mrs. Smith, and so you've
got all your anchor points twisted and you don't know
anything and you'd better not know anything, you little
bastard, or you'll find out what I did to you." Anyway
that's the motto which generally goes behind evaluation.
We've been all through this with Dianetics. We found out
that evaluation was very, very rough. Why was it rough?
That's because it's locating for the preclear things in
time and space. That's the only reason evaluation is bad
for anything. See, you as the auditor suddenly take his
ability to relocate things and then you do it for him. You
help him out. Well, in view of the fact that this is the
direct path to the recovery of his self-determinism,
helping him out in this fashion, of course, is the most
destructive thing you could do to his self-determinism.
It's a, "See here, you can't really locate things in time
and space, I'm going to locate things in time and space for
you." In other words, you're being other determinism. Can
you see this? So, we have our preclear getting pretty
jammed on the track whenever we evaluate for him.
Now, did you ever have anybody around who was a
psycho-neurotic? Who snatched things out of your hands
every time you tried to do anything. You went out to fix
the fence, and so forth, and they grabbed the hammer and
they did it. You went out to move something around and they
had to move it some other place. You were fixing the
doorbell and you were doing just fine, but they came out
and you could see their hands start to tremble. I think
this is the beginning of cerebral palsy. Their hands start
to tremble and their breath comes very, very short and they
can't stand it any longer and they eventually grab the
screwdriver out of your hands and completely ruin it and
the screw that you were trying to fix. Have you ever had
anybody around like that? They would not let you perform an
action.
Well, actually, they were trying to locate things in time
and space. This is the manifestation of - "the only one" -
the first manifestation of - "the only one". If you ever
run into one of these characters that's been in the life of
your preclear, you know who in that life was playing "the
only one". You also know the most confused universe. Had to
locate things in time and space for everybody else. You
see, just would not possibly let it rest. This is a bad one
when it's performed time and time again.
Now, Scientology uses this as about it's limit of system
these days. The location of things in time and space called
for by the auditor and performed by the preclear until the
preclear can adequately and competently locate things in
time and space. Now there's, there's system for you. I mean
that's about the ... as far as the preclear's concerned,
the casual preclear you run into, that's about what you do
for him. He comes up, he can't locate things in time and
space, and you have a modus operandi by which you can get
him to locate things in time and space and he becomes more
self determined and therefore becomes healthier and
happier.
This is very, very true of body parts. Body parts are so
entirely dependent on being located in time and space and
never calling off a distance or direction, that, that
dependency causes them to drag down any energy potential of
the individual. It's very mechanical. The body parts
themselves actually do not have an expression. They are not
really alive but they are set up as machinery to function
in a certain action. To do certain things. To perform
certain things and the machinery is bogged down and what do
you know, even permitting a theta machine to locate things
in time and space will restore its functioning capacity.
Quite curious. Also if carried on very long, it would blow
the machine, because a machine isn't that self determined.
It can only stand just so much. I don't mean by that
there's an immediate limit on exteriorization by distance
but if you blow somebody's stomach or have him suddenly
come up missing a head, you'll simply know what you've done
and that's always a good thing.
Now, whenever, whenever we see self determinism we should
recognize that its highest echelon is a consideration and
just knowingness. Simply, simply knowingness - independent
of time and space - but that the lower echelon of it is the
location of things, objects in space and time. That is the
lower consideration of self determinism. But that lower
consideration of self determinism is so high above the
average intellect that even when performed a little bit as
a drill, mechanically, as in locate things in time and
space, you will find that an individual will come up tone
scale and will then get into a situation where he can
exteriorize. Unless he can mechanically exteriorize, he
isn't going to exteriorize. He can mechanically exteriorize
- this tells you he is no longer afraid of the physical
universe space and after that is then capable of operating
in it, at which time he will begin to recover large levels
of his knowingness.
Now, there's the mechanical pot. By locating things ably
and adequately in time and space is above the capability of
average Homo sapiens. Well above it. He fumbles and
stumbles around and you restore his ability to do this
considerably. You see, distance has a great deal to do with
locating things in time and space, I mean it's an intimate
part of it and distance and direction. How else would you
establish how to locate something in time and space save by
distance and direction.
Well theta, when its capable of doing this, is then capable
of doing much more than that. And you just use this as the
style. You go over the, the bridge you jump, the hedge you
leap, in order to get into greener pastures.
All right! Wherever we have a problem in a preclear, we
have that problem immediately stemming from a loss of self
determinism. A dependency and a loss of self determinism in
general. Dependency, you see, is simply a loss of self
determinism. In other words whenever we have a problem on
the part of a preclear, it stems immediately from loss of
self determinism. When we define self determinism in its
lower echelon as the ability to locate things in time and
space, in other words get the distance and direction of
things, and when I say time, of course I mean the distance
and direction to the spot where it happened and some idea
of the intervening motions which have occurred since the
item happened. And when we can restore some of that, we
will find out that the condition which is considered
undesirable on the part of the preclear will remedy.
This applies to psychosomatic ills, this applies to any
mental aberration we know anything of, it applies to
immediate emergency situations such as sprained ankles and
so forth. Let's just locate them in time and space. Now, a
covert method of doing it - is, where the condition is not.
You see, this at least locates time and space independent
of the condition. Gets his attention off of it. We can turn
right around there and say, "How much distance could you
tolerate to your sprained ankle?" Now lets have the
individual then get, "How much distance could your sprained
ankle tolerate to a thetan?" Now, "How much distance could
you tolerate to a sprained ankle?"
Now the only place, by the way, and let me lay this down
here as an injunction which is quite important to you in
processing, an important thing, the drill is run this way.
He might or might not get a mock up of a sprained ankle
when we say, "Get the distance you could tolerate to a
sprained ankle". See, might or might not get a mock up - we
don't care whether he did or not. He gets a mock up eight
thousand yards up and we only want the distance he can
tolerate and he tell you something vaguely around eight
thousand yards. Now, what sprained ankle do we have finding
how much distance it can tolerate to a thetan. Do we have
that one eight thousand yards out there? Or do we just have
the guy's sprained ankle right where it is, hooked on to
his leg. It's the sprained ankle right where it is. It's
not the mock up of a sprained ankle which he got and if you
don't watch your preclear, he will run this process in this
fashion. He will mock up a sprained ankle out there about
eight thousand yards, you see, and then he will ... "what
distance could a sprained ankle tolerate to a thetan",
he'll take that one that's out there eight thousand yards
and get its distance. He does this very naturally because
he's very comfortable tolerating that one out there eight
thousand yards, see. So, he's just as happy as can be to
work with that one out there and he'll go on working with
it too. And he'll go on stretching the distance and so
forth and he'll go on working with mock ups and you'll
wonder why this technique is hanging up and because you
haven't got a little machine that looks into his head and
finds exactly what these mock ups of his are doing, why you
would let him get away with it more times than not.
A natural thing for him to do is when you ask him, "What
distance could you tolerate to your right foot?", and he
says, "I don't know, let's see, I guess its about fifty -
no fifty, fifty - fifty, sixty feet, something like that -
yeah about sixty feet" And you say all right, "Now, what
distance could a sprained ankle tolerate to a thetan" and
he looks at that one out there fifty or sixty feet away and
he sees it looking over to the right a distance of several
yards, so he says, "several yards in that direction." See,
you just weren't watching when he did this. What you want
him to do is pick up his right foot, right where it sits on
the floor, that's his present time right foot, and you want
to know what distance can that right foot, right there,
tolerate to a thetan. And you'll find the process working
like a house afire. I would dare say that you could treble
or quadruple or render the time involved or render the
technique completely ineffective by not noticing this one.
He's perfectly willing, see, to work with that mock up
because he can tolerate the distance ahead. You don't want
him working with that mock up. You don't mind that mock up
being out there for the distance he can tolerate to the
right foot but we want the preclear's right foot to get the
distance to the thetan. Let's get very marked about that.
All right, now let's wind this up in a hurry. If, if the
primary thing about self determinism is the location in
time and space, what would you find ordinarily would have
over borne the individual self determinism more that any
other thing, any other single factor. It would have been
not being able to locate himself in time and space. That
would, that would be a very, very low level factor,
wouldn't it? I mean, that would be a very common factor
throughout all cases. He wouldn't be able to locate himself
in time and space. Well, what do you mean? That he can't
exteriorize? The times he couldn't exteriorize? No, No. The
times when he had to remain there although he wanted to go
and the times he wanted to go and he had to remain there
and the times when he had to go and somebody else wouldn't
let him go. These are all the same category. And the times
when he wanted to stay there and they chased him out. All
the same category, you see, but it's just reversed. It's
prevented self determined action.
Well, how would we run this? We would run this with 8-D's
Opening Procedure in this fashion. We would have him check
off all those places - this is a drill which you run on
people, this is a very interesting drill - you have him
check off all those places where he wanted to go but had to
stay and all those places where he wanted to stay but had
to go. They're two different categories and you check the
spots where these things occurred and check the center of
the room. Now, to get some reality on it, you can
straightwire him on this. You can just ask him for some
such places and he will tell you these places immediately.
This drill recovers an enormous amount of self determinism
to your preclear, whether you run it with straightwire or
whether you run it by spotting space. Times when you wanted
to go but had to stay, and times when you wanted to stay
but had to go.
Here is the no place to flinch to case. He'll just run this
down ad infinitum. Here is persist. What do you mean by
persist? Persist on one spot of course. That's the most
persistent thing you could do, would be to persist in one
spot. Time itself seems to be composed of changing
viewpoints and the effort to escape. A similarity of
viewpoint is itself, apparently, time. And so we have, we
have the necessity to go but having to stay and the
necessity to stay when he wanted to go as being
terrifically fundamental things. This was location of
himself in time and space. When he lost this he could no
longer exteriorize. This is why exteriorization gives a
person such an enormous jump. He says hey look, I can
locate myself in time and space. I'm here.
And here is the basic drill and the basic spot in space,
the basic spot in space drill, if you want an enormous
recovery on the part of your preclear. You see how this
ties in by exteriorization by distance? You want the
distance to these spots where he had to stay when he wanted
to go. You want their direction and distance. You have him
to point them out in the physical universe, not in pictures
and you get those spots located and just have him check
them off, lots of them. You'll find out that there's at
least one per minute for the last seventy-six trillion
years. So, there are a lot of spots to clean up there.
Okay.
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